Vast majority of Americans support paying for BBB ACT by taxing the wealthy

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mikeymikec

Lifer
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Unfortunately those Republicans who feel that way won’t vote for someone other than a Republican because the democrats are going to turn us all gay, trans, and eat babies while killing all the Christians after taking away all the guns.

I'm wondering if the next step down from the single issue voter is the multiple conspiracy voter
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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You wouldn't know a communist if Karl Marx rose out of his grave and wacked you on your decrepit brain.

I see tons of filth like you online say Biden or the Dems are communist. It's not tenable to create a functioning society with people so far gone from reality. You people are beyond help and are allergic to education and facts. All of you are a net negative on society and the entire human species.
they call democrats communists because they don't want to admit the republicans are fascists. ya know the ones we fought a war over and won.
 

nOOky

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Aug 17, 2004
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We work hard and pay multiples of 10k a year in taxes. No problem with taxing the ultra rich at all. It's not middle or upper class folks that are not paying their fair share, it's those rich enough to get out of paying any taxes. The rich lobby and buy politicians to protect themselves from paying taxes on income via loopholes etc.

End Citizen's United and overhaul the tax code and end corporate welfare and bailouts for banks. Or go work harder and get another job, ya lazy bums.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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lol. Of course you guys want to tax the rich. You guys don't pay taxes. Or very minimal. I also support any bill that tax you but not me.
We want to tax the rich because they have the money. Return income and wealth distribution to pre-Reagan levels and we can consider backing off but not until then.
 

SmCaudata

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Oct 8, 2006
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We want to tax the rich because they have the money. Return income and wealth distribution to pre-Reagan levels and we can consider backing off but not until then.
Reagan was campaigning against wealth distribution inequalities before his presidency, but yeah, I'd settle for pre Reagan numbers. Heck, I'd settle for post Reagan top tier tax brackets for the $1 mil plus group
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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"Vast majority of Americans" have supported increasing taxes on the wealthy, not only for this purpose, but in general. Polls going back decades.

The real question is how the republican party lowers taxes for the wealthy every time they're in power, and never suffers the electoral consequences of doing so.
 

SmCaudata

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Oct 8, 2006
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"Vast majority of Americans" have supported increasing taxes on the wealthy, not only for this purpose, but in general. Polls going back decades.

The real question is how the republican party lowers taxes for the wealthy every time they're in power, and never suffers the electoral consequences of doing so.
They convince the stupid that some day they can be rich and they would not want to be taxed in that fantasy world.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Wealth inequality continues to increase. The poor continue to get poorer, the rich get richer. It can't last. Or rather, it ends with rich people in guarded compounds guarded by security forces that the rich can afford, who can fend off the poverty-stricken hordes. If that sounds like a bad sci-fi movie, just check India today.

The greatest trick the rich ever pulled off was getting poor rubes to go to bat for the poor downtrodden billionaires. Just distract them with tales of illegal immigrants and trannies taking away their freedoms, like shooting fish in a barrel.
This is why Mexico looks like it does.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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A bit of role playing the devils advocate here....

My concern, how much taxing is actually available when taxing the rich? Could this be the excuse or presumed remedy for passing bills that increase spending? And what about Jeff Bezos? He could "do things" to get back at the people like raising shipping coats or refusing to accept returns? Or, Walmart might say they have stuff in stock when they really don't. Oh, they already do that....

If the corporations and Jeff Bezos have to pay more they will do what they always do, pass that tax onto the consumer. Like with daycare for all. The idea of daycare for all is so that families can have access to free or low-cost daycare paid with taxing the rich. But what if there isn't quite enough taxing the rich tax money coning in to pay for the free daycare? Then, mothers will still be paying for daycare they can't afford but now that paying is in higher personal taxes. So what's the point if a mother couldn't afford $200 a week for daycare yet now pays $200 in increased taxes? Whats the difference?

Don't mind me. I was just channeling the spirit of Ronald Reagan.
 

ondma

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Mar 18, 2018
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"Vast majority of Americans" have supported increasing taxes on the wealthy, not only for this purpose, but in general. Polls going back decades.

The real question is how the republican party lowers taxes for the wealthy every time they're in power, and never suffers the electoral consequences of doing so.
Yea, I dont get it. Same with super restrictive abortion laws. But people keep voting for them. I will say, they are a lot more united than Democrats and deliver their message much more effectively. Gerrymandering also plays a big part in keeping them in office, as well as unequal senate representation and the anachronism known as the electoral college.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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lol. Of course you guys want to tax the rich. You guys don't pay taxes. Or very minimal. I also support any bill that tax you but not me.
lol im not in the states, but I do pay a lot of taxes where I am at. I can and will pay some more soon as my party will push through reforms.. and thats perfectly fine by me.
Of course I wasnt brought up on FYGM cancer milk like what you got over there.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Yea, I dont get it. Same with super restrictive abortion laws. But people keep voting for them. I will say, they are a lot more united than Democrats and deliver their message much more effectively. Gerrymandering also plays a big part in keeping them in office, as well as unequal senate representation and the anachronism known as the electoral college.
Its the tipping point of any democracy when any subset of the population gains so much power that they are effectively able to buy politics to advance the need of singular subjects. What you got going on with lobbying in congress, conservative media run by super wealthy to fuck ppls brains - is not so much different in concept, imo, than what you see with the cartels in Mexico(when are we gonna start capitalizing the c in Cartels?), its just another subset of the population that gained critical mass.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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A bit of role playing the devils advocate here....

My concern, how much taxing is actually available when taxing the rich? Could this be the excuse or presumed remedy for passing bills that increase spending? And what about Jeff Bezos? He could "do things" to get back at the people like raising shipping coats or refusing to accept returns? Or, Walmart might say they have stuff in stock when they really don't. Oh, they already do that....

If the corporations and Jeff Bezos have to pay more they will do what they always do, pass that tax onto the consumer. Like with daycare for all. The idea of daycare for all is so that families can have access to free or low-cost daycare paid with taxing the rich. But what if there isn't quite enough taxing the rich tax money coning in to pay for the free daycare? Then, mothers will still be paying for daycare they can't afford but now that paying is in higher personal taxes. So what's the point if a mother couldn't afford $200 a week for daycare yet now pays $200 in increased taxes? Whats the difference?

Don't mind me. I was just channeling the spirit of Ronald Reagan.
If you cant make them play by the rules then better shit them of society, to Dubai or whatever, they’d be more at home with other rich aholes anyway.
Then sanction them so their wealth is worth nothing on your soil.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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also, a lot of people a lot richer than @ponyo support this bill and the politicians that are trying to pass it, of which many are wealthier than he is as well. Pelosi is worth over 100 million, and she is a big proponent of this bill. But he is so arrogant he thinks it's only the peons that want this bill to get through.

That's actual rich. They are casting the net wider than that, for little gain, but asking for lots of backlash for a bill that's already struggling to get passed

Going after a household with two professionals in the peak earnings years, while also trying to afford retirement, saving for kids college, heathcare is foolish politically.

20% of that poll you linked think $250K/yr is rich. The poll asks "individuals" but the tax code considers households.

You'd be shocked how fast 250, even 350k goes when you are actually saving as you are supposed/need to. Nobody gets pensions and paid hc plans in retirement anymore. You have to save your ass off. $250k = not broke at 80.

$400k is more comfortable, but it's a joke to think they are the "rich". It's clearly upper middle class, and just tipping toes into the owner class, but they also get no tax breaks with the current tax code as it's usually mostly income tax at high rates.

Go after the truly rich that own big businesses and buildings, yet pay jack shit in tax. That's where all the wealth is, not some firefighter captain and their RN anesthetists spouse.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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FFS. $250k household income is doing extremely well in almost every part of this country.

Doing well and "rich" are not the same things.

Go to a high COL state, fund your savings properly, and watch how fast it goes.

The savings rate for the US is still very low, and the vast majority do not have enough savings for retirement or to help their kids with stunting college debt that will further depress savings into the next generation.
 
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maluckey1

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Riddle me this? So why is it when a poll says the majority believe in something, we don't ALWAYS want, or do what the masses want? Also, which masses should we follow? The ones that fit political agendas, or the ones that might make this shithole of a world slightly better for those that care? If the so-called egalitarian rich are really OK paying more taxes, they would already be doing so. They can do it now...but they won't because it's a lie. The press and politicians love it because it sells.

Most of us on this forum are well off enough to not know first-hand about real poverty, food shortage and crappy living conditions. Let's face it. We all have internet , computers, phones and easy access to transportation and medical care of some sort. That's not always the case for everyone, even in the U.S.

How many of us on the forum actually volunteer in their church, food banks, homeless shelters and "safe shelters". I'd wager only a few on this forum. Start there, then come back and tell us that giving more money to the federal government will fix those issues. While your at it, tell me how much several trillion dollars thrown at problems in Afghanistan or Iraq fixed their problems.
 

SmCaudata

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Riddle me this? So why is it when a poll says the majority believe in something, we don't ALWAYS want, or do what the masses want? Also, which masses should we follow? The ones that fit political agendas, or the ones that might make this shithole of a world slightly better for those that care? If the so-called egalitarian rich are really OK paying more taxes, they would already be doing so. They can do it now...but they won't because it's a lie. The press and politicians love it because it sells.

Most of us on this forum are well off enough to not know first-hand about real poverty, food shortage and crappy living conditions. Let's face it. We all have internet , computers, phones and easy access to transportation and medical care of some sort. That's not always the case for everyone, even in the U.S.

How many of us on the forum actually volunteer in their church, food banks, homeless shelters and "safe shelters". I'd wager only a few on this forum. Start there, then come back and tell us that giving more money to the federal government will fix those issues. While your at it, tell me how much several trillion dollars thrown at problems in Afghanistan or Iraq fixed their problems.
Ahh, the rivate sector argument. Surprised it took this long.

Tell me how much Bezos et al are doing for those really poor people you describe? Face it the government is the only option for certain things.

Also, most here wanting tax increases would agree with your war argument. Guess what. War is just another billionaire handout at normal taxpayer expense, the exact thing people here are arguing to change.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Most of us on this forum are well off enough to not know first-hand about real poverty, food shortage and crappy living conditions. Let's face it. We all have internet , computers, phones and easy access to transportation and medical care of some sort. That's not always the case for everyone, even in the U.S.
We have these things because worker productivity is way, way up globally. The vast profits from those activities, under capitalism, accrue to the rich instead of the workers. Taxing the holy hell out of the rich will redistribute the fruits of labor back to the workers who created it. That the rich are unwilling to do this themselves is on them.
 

maluckey1

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Mar 15, 2018
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Ahh, the rivate sector argument. Surprised it took this long.

Tell me how much Bezos et al are doing for those really poor people you describe? Face it the government is the only option for certain things.

Also, most here wanting tax increases would agree with your war argument. Guess what. War is just another billionaire handout at normal taxpayer expense, the exact thing people here are arguing to change.
Not exactly. I referred to Federal Govt. The lower you go, the more effective they become.

I was actually part of the machine used to distribute wealth in Iraq. Money was passed out in CASH for the onset of the conflict. CAT-A (Civil Affairs Teams-"Away") teams carried cases full of money, and paid on the spot. Later in the conflict we went on paying via "projects" with contractors bilking everyone, and as the money continued flowing, it got to where local officials convinced everyone that they were the better choice for disbursement, then state etc. and we all know how that worked out...

I've worked humanitarian missions WITHOUT CASH, that gave more to the community than the trillions wasted "fixing" the ME. We gave time, understanding and expertise to help work out problems. My favorite introduction was "I'm Mr. "Insert Name" , I have no money, no governmental authority and no possibility of giving you anything today...how can I help you?" After a quick talk, they always found use for my team. I've worked in jungles, deserts, cities and farms. I've been shot at, lit on fire, blown up and worse whilst doing my job, but not once have I ever seen where the Federal govt did more than local or community involvement and donations.

The feds have their use....handling local affairs isn't one of them
 
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