My bet is optimizations but we'll see. There will likely be more micro code updates but my guess is the biggest improvements will be from optimizations.
The Ryzen 1700 looks like great bang for buck regardless, but the variation in performance leaves me a bit unsure about my own use case.
Mostly it only seems to be in games (which I care very little about), but in the case of the multithreaded titles like Watch Dogs 2 which scale with threads, it would be good to know exactly what's going on.
Here is the results
- Figuring out how Mhz maximum of each processor while running Cinebench R15 multi-core on a certain voltage (1.25,1.3,1.35, 1.4V)
lol no.. Most people aren't going out and dropping $1000 on a monitor! Ain't happening!
I paid $318 for my BenQ XL2730z, which was a good deal, but I still felt that was a lot of money to spend for a monitor. I did so, because I know these things last a long long time, and I understand that budget enthusiast gamers will eventually move beyond 1080p, and I wanted a futureproof monitor.
I tell most people to avoid 4k monitors like the plague, because they are budget gamers, and I know they aren't going to be buying GTX 1080s anytime soon.
1080p will be the norm for many many years from now. I suspect after many years we might move to 1440p, and then 1440p ultrawide, but that is very far off.
With a Titan X Pascal 1440p is low res. It's the equivalent of a 1070 at 1080p so relevant for high refresh rates folks.
You are too lazy to read but you go insulting people while being wrong and when your mistake is revealed you push your aggression further instead of accepting that you messed up.
At the very least you can grow up and maybe learn what decency.
6900k is the best.Right now, the i7-7700K is the world's best gaming CPU, why does that trouble you?
Data is data, ignoring hard data to form alternative conclusions that back up your beliefs is called blind faith.There's nothing novel or particularly insightful in that video. He just points out the obvious (games have become more threaded over time) and fails miserably to make a compelling argument against low res benchmarks. As I said on OCN There are two possible objectives one might have when choosing a CPU for longevity:
a) Improving your future experience with existing games, or:
b) Improving your future experience with future games
The video focuses entirely on b, and draws grand conclusions from a relatively small pool of games tested by a single site (though admittedly one of the better ones).
It's also readily apparent, if you look at some of his other videos, that he has somewhat of an infatuation with AMD, so he's the last person I'd look to for unbiased analysis.
It's great that AMD is finally back in the game, but I feel that die-hard AMD fans are kind of ruining the moment by turning it into such a desperate pissing match and cooking up absurd conspiracy theories about the evil tech press. Can't we just enjoy that there are now several massively competent and fairly priced parts in the mid-high end.
Is it true that you cannot install Windows 7 or 8 on RyZEN platform as of now?
Edit: And XP?
Now a 1800x matches a bwe 6900 in R15 st and mt. (And who expected that just 2 months ago btw)Data is data, ignoring hard data to form alternative conclusions that back up your beliefs is called blind faith.
If you dont agree with him, why dont you use the same methodology as adored to get data that proves lower res gaming is a better indicator of future perf than more threads?
Honestly would like you to attempt it.
Is it true that you cannot install Windows 7 or 8 on RyZEN platform as of now?
Edit: And XP?
Remember we have not seen a native from the ground up dx12/vulcan game engine, current games have limited NPCs, AI, multiple things going on, the future is going eat threads for breakfast.Now a 1800x matches a bwe 6900 in R15 st and mt. (And who expected that just 2 months ago btw)
Go back and look at how bd performed 2012 vs top end core line in such workloads. Bd was wrecked then.
I dont think oc 1700 will be generally faster vs oc 7700 within a year but its not unrealistic. Dx 12 engines have been buggy and slow to the market. But if we look at the last datapoint its where mt fps starts to evolve fast.
We might also discover that while memory subsystem have impact on avg and max frames eg physics and more computational limitations more sets the limit for min frames. That is if the games is properly multithreadded.
I mentioned this might happen a few pages ago.Anyone can cherry pick and twist data to suit their agenda. Just saying "data is data" is naive beyond belief (look at how EBM is exploited). We have to be intelligent about interpreting data, and approach it with skepticism when it's being fed to us by someone with a clear bias. There is a kernel of validity to what he's saying, but it's presented in a one-sided manner and it's nothing we didn't already know anyway. It's not even a case low res being "better" than threads (or vice versa). As I clearly said in my last post, it depends on the objectives of the individual. People like "adored" want to dumb it down into one answer that's based on their narrow set of parameters ("just because I only play new games at 4K@60Hz means that everyone else does too").
http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/review-amd-ryzen-7-1700-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-cpu-gaming/5Hello,
I am new to these boards and I am looking to make a new Photoshop CC workstation. I REALLY want to go with Ryzen but these results made me worried:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...n-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-907/#Introduction
Is anyone able to comment on how much the growing pains are likely to have negatively impacted those results? Or do you think that the current issues with Ryzen, once resolved, won't have much impact on Photoshop performance?
I can't get over how much cheaper the Ryzen is than Broadwell-E, and I'd rather not wait until end of August for Skylake-X (and only if it will be priced appropriately...), but some of those performance differences are pretty significant. Of course this is only one test, if anyone has others that are Photoshop related (Specifically photo editing) I'd love to see them.
TIA
If you have got the resources and want 120/240fps 1080p ultra gaming, buy a new intel i7 every 12-24 months and a top of the line 800$ gpu, good luck.
For most other people a cpu is going to last them 3-6 years and maybe buy a new gpu in that time, in which case a high threaded /high ST cpu is priority over an moderate thread/ultra ST cpu, as thats whats going to provide the best long term value for the average person.
Spot on. The problems with gaming reviews today is the testing methology is excactly like people change a i7 every second year and game at 144Hz with an extreme powerfull gpu at lower res. Thats how the bm is done. I think its way off a reflection of reality. As it is a 8c 1700 on a 350 mb is plenty expensive even when it last 6 years. Its imo also reflected in how Intel segment the market where i7 goes for the topend of the consumer segment. I expected the 1700 to be 299usd for that reason.
Remember we have not seen a native from the ground up dx12/vulcan game engine, current games have limited NPCs, AI, multiple things going on, the future is going eat threads for breakfast.
I think the nitro 2 engine is the first.
It's great that AMD is finally back in the game, but I feel that die-hard AMD fans are kind of ruining the moment by turning it into such a desperate pissing match and cooking up absurd conspiracy theories about the evil tech press. Can't we just enjoy that there are now several massively competent and fairly priced parts in the mid-high end.
He just points out the obvious (games have become more threaded over time) and fails miserably to make a compelling argument against low res benchmarks. As I said on OCN There are two possible objectives one might have when choosing a CPU for longevity:
a) Improving your future experience with existing games, or:
b) Improving your future experience with future games
The video focuses entirely on b, and draws grand conclusions from a relatively small pool of games tested by a single site (though admittedly one of the better ones).