As mentioned, Turin Dense Zen 5c is on N3E.
I agree with your assessment of AMD's philosophy to date. This is why it seems strange to me that AMD would jump over N3E, N3P, N3X and climb onto N2P. I'll believe it when I see it.
@adroc_thurston,
One word answers are infantile. Please provide some background to your rebuttals. You know, something of substance? Hard to formulate a rebuttal to "nope". I am tempted to go with the "my dad is bigger than your dad" line, but that seems equally silly.
I'll believe it when...
A double node shrink onto the most expensive process on the planet?
If true, this can only mean that Intel really does have the goods with 18A.
Then server will come down to who can do the most work with the bandwidth they can shove through their memory control fabric.
OR. MLID could be full...
I don't think the refresh is Zen 6. It is a Zen 5 Strix Point refresh AFAIK. Likely just a stepping that improved yields and clock speeds a bit with perhaps a tiny improvement in the memory controller interface giving MT a little more air to breath.
if 12 cores gets you just a 6% increase...
Thanks Gideon.
That is how I see it as well. ARM is good at low power because that was the design goals for its use.
Fundamentally, there is no inherent advantage that I can see of one ISA over the other... at least I have yet to have anyone convince me otherwise.
Also, it isn't like all the bandwidth can go to the GPU either. Zen 6 is upping the core counts considerably, and likely each core will be capable of moving more memory than Zen 5.
I have worked in Automotive for decades. Combustion engines are really just air movers. If you want more power...
Exactly this.
Seriously guys. You expect AMD to plan a future on DIY and gaming? That's not feasible.
Desktop in general is a receding market, and gaming on PC is also declining.
DC on the other hand is increasing.
Desktop has no future that isn't a derivative of DC IMO.
Links to some data please. I don't think this is correct.
No, they wont. This would be about maintaining dominance over Intel's Nova Lake offerings.
See below (as this is nearly word for word how I was about to reply).
I saw another rumor yesterday that suggested a dual CCD with 12 full Zen...
Why not? Intel currently holds the #1 position in x86. Seems like an AWFUL lofty claim. Please explain.
Venice D is just a bunch of CCD's using Zen 6c cores. What makes you think that it wouldn't make sense for AMD to put one of them on the desktop along side a full Zen 6 (12c) and the new...
Possibly do, but AMD is currently more than competitive.
If you assume that Intel's transistor budget going from N3B to 18A will be about the same as AMD will get going from N4P to N3P, seems to me like AMD would have a better than average chance of maintaining their performance lead while...
If AMD felt this strategy was a good path, Zen 5 desktop would be on N3B, not N4P.
Since this is a "speculation" thread, my "speculation" is that AMD will NOT spend the cash and risk production volume limitations with N2 for client on Zen 6.
Not sure I agree that N2 is worth the cost bump over N3 for all applications. If AMD can compete with N3P on client, why would they pay for N2?
Ahh... I am the head of a software department (and hardware). Exactly what percentage of computer sales do you think people like you and I...
Fair assessment ;).
I am still agitated from the FIRST time (about 15 years ago) when I was forced (by a customer) to create a Java based runtime engine for something mission critical because (customer's quote, not mine) "You won't have to worry about memory management". Right. Ended up...
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