Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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RnR_au

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Ukrainian drones attacking Russian airfield tonight...

Russia’s Morozovsk Airbase is currently under Ukrainian drone attack, with several explosions seen in the vicinity of the airfield. Morozovsk is home to a number of Russian Air Force Su-34 fighterbombers.
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Morozovsk is a known Su-34 hub, with Russian fighters launching standoff glide bomb attacks over western Ukraine. Sentinel-2 imagery from Monday confirms that the base is still packed.

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Outcome is unknown atm. Have to wait for morning to arrive.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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this came up in the yt sidebar: general debunk of mearsheimer on ukraine and russia video that the idiots keep trying to bring up.
they go over what actual realism school is, the history up to meidan, the actions of russia that disprove that it was the west that instigated, the flaws in his logic and arguments, and the contradictions with his own previous statements.

i have no previous experience with the content creator but the cited stuff checks out with previous debunks on shearmimer from more established news sources.

should be good if you want ammo to debunk the rus sus bots/bugs that keep trying infest around here. (you can watch at 2x speed with no harm to understandability)
Not saying it isn't worth watching, but from anecdotal experience, 'the war will end when Russia leaves' and 'If Russia was worried about NATO bordering them, why are they attempting to control a nation that brings NATO closer to their borders' pretty well scares off the cockroaches.
 

Exterous

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When I was in Russia several years back it was impressive how unpleasant the people were. Like they weren't mean to me or anything, it was just a nonstop stream of whining and grievance about how mean everyone was to Russia.

I remember thinking to myself 'what the fuck are you guys thinking? We don't hate you, we barely think about you.' I think that was the biggest takeaway I got from that - Russia is fine with the US hating them, they just want us to pay attention to them because it's very important for Russians to feel significant.

I was there for a bit shortly after Trump took office. Different experience due to that timing because everyone wanted to talk to me about how they hoped we could have better relations now. But yeah it was very clear they think about us way more than we think about them. And they couldn't understand how it could possibly be the case we didn't think about them more. "well you're a very unusual American then yes?" Er....no.

The Parisians barely notice us now and save all their anger for the Chinese tourists. I've seen some remarkable hostility but not unearned from how they comport themselves.
It's been interesting to experience a general shift in perception during our travels from the occasional undercurrent of "Bah American tourist again" a ways back to "Eh you're all kinda loud and talk to strangers too much but I guess it could be worse" to the now overt "An American! Welcome! We're so happy you're not Chinese!"
 

you2

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Conflicting reports here, but no solid verification of either.

At least Ukraine target military targets unlike russia constant targeting of civilians; after all Russia is a terrorist country unlike Ukraine.
 

raildogg

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Russia is now definitely on the offensive and because the ground will become hard, this will likely increase. Russia has vehicles and armored units while Ukraine lacks this - that is an understatement. Just look at this map of events that are happening right now:


You can see clearly Russian offensives all over the big front and Ukraine simply cannot defend against this. Throwing drones into Russia will only anger Russians and make them come closer to Putin, therefore, he will have the right to use even more force against Ukraine. Thus, this is going to hurt Ukraine long term by launching drones into Russia and attacking sites.

Kherson, Donetsk and Luhansk are definitely under Russia control now and we can see Russian advancements even further into Ukraine. Ukraine cannot answer this, wake up please.

Lack of vehicles is hurting Ukraine very badly but this is to be expected.


Also, keep in mind that Kharkov will play into action now. I don't think Ukraine will be able to hold this huge frontline and no NATO country is equipped to help. They cannot fight large scale wars so Ukraine is in trouble it seems. So without mass amounts of trained soldiers and a lot of equipment, only thing Ukraine can do it launch drones into Russia while it gives up territory. Keep in mind the longer the territory stays with Russia, the less likely Ukraine will get it back.

This means that the Russians are on the offensive in very many key towns and cities , such as Kupiansk, Kharkov, etc. Zaporizhzhia is seeing plenty of activity and since Russian tanks will now be more used due to hardening of ground, you will likely see Ukraine collapsing even further.
 
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fskimospy

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Russia is now definitely on the offensive and because the ground will become hard, this will likely increase. Russia has vehicles and armored units while Ukraine lacks this - that is an understatement. Just look at this map of events that are happening right now:


You can see clearly Russian offensives all over the big front and Ukraine simply cannot defend against this. Throwing drones into Russia will only anger Russians and make them come closer to Putin, therefore, he will have the right to use even more force against Ukraine. Thus, this is going to hurt Ukraine long term by launching drones into Russia and attacking sites.

Kherson, Donetsk and Luhansk are definitely under Russia control now and we can see Russian advancements even further into Ukraine. Ukraine cannot answer this, wake up please.

Lack of vehicles is hurting Ukraine very badly but this is to be expected.


Also, keep in mind that Kharkov will play into action now. I don't think Ukraine will be able to hold this huge frontline and no NATO country is equipped to help. They cannot fight large scale wars so Ukraine is in trouble it seems.

This means that the Russians are on the offensive in very many key towns and cities , such as Kupiansk, Kharkov, etc.
Kherson is under Russian control? What drugs are you on.

You would agree though that aggressive war is bad. After all you are against Israel’s attack on Gaza so surely you are outraged here.

I’m sure that as a moral person you want to be consistent in your principles.
 

raildogg

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Just a few of the reports of recent activity:

"At Orikhiv direction Russian army shelled Poltavka, Malynivka, Chervone, Bilohirya and Scherbaky of Zaporizhzhia region. Russian aviation conducted airstrike at Robotyne of Zaporizhzhia region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Lyman direction Russian army shelled Nevske of Luhansk region and Terny, Yampolivka, Torske of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Novopavlivka direction Russian army shelled Heorhiyivka, Paraskoviyivka and Kostyantynivka of Donetsk region. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Krasnohorivka, Urozhayne, Vodyane, Vuhledar and Katerynivka of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Avdiyivka direction Russian army shelled Novokalynove, Novobakhmutivka, Semenivka, Nevelske. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Oleksandropil, Ocheretyne, Keramik, Novobakhmutivka, Berdychi, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Bakhmut direction Russian army shelled Bilohorivka, Verkhnokamyanske, Spirne, Chasiv Yar, Ivanivske, Stupochky, Klischiyivka, Andriyivka, Bohdanivka, Kalynivka, Chasiv Yar. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Druzhba, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

As you can see, Russia is widening the front and going very hard now. Muddy weather of Ukraine might be coming to an end so this means more attacks. Also, from the maps I have seen, the Ukrainian counteroffensives are reclaiming very little land and this is with all this equipment they had. Now, they have less equipment so how will their counteroffensives go? Or are they on just delaying and defending? Either way, they need weapons and men which they are lacking.

Here is the map if you want to see. Look at that very tiny little blue:


As for Kherson, I am mistaken it is not under Russian control but there is fight and clashes over this town.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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Absolutely all allies support the decision to invite Ukraine to NATO at the summit in Washington, except for the United States and Germany, said Olha Stefanishyna, Ukraine’s Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration.

Quote: "The format of the invitation was proposed by Ukraine itself, as a legal guarantee of joining NATO. It is on the agenda. Absolutely all allies support this decision except for two.

Since this information has become public, the US and Germany are now trying to draw attention to other sceptical allies, such as Hungary and Slovakia. But the key position is of these two countries (Germany and the US – ed.)."


Stefanishyna said that the US and Germany are skeptical about inviting Ukraine to NATO because it is no longer just talk, but a real decision.


Turns out the US really DOESN’T want Ukraine in NATO? I told you all Ukraine would never be allowed into NATO, no matter how many times Blinken and Biden say otherwise. US isn’t going to risk getting into war with Russia over god damn Ukraine, but congratulations falling for the propaganda. 2+ years into this war and they still can’t say ‘Ukraine will join NATO once the war is over’.

I’m sure Ukrainians would be willing to accept they can’t join NATO now as they are at war, but would be perfectly fine with it after the war.

Maybe one day you’ll all wake up and realize this isn’t about defending ‘democracy’ or ‘sovereignty’, but rather using Ukraine as a proxy to TRY to weaken Russia.

It is failing spectacularly.

Went from 0 wars to at least 3 now under this demented fool.
 

fskimospy

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Just a few of the reports of recent activity:

"At Orikhiv direction Russian army shelled Poltavka, Malynivka, Chervone, Bilohirya and Scherbaky of Zaporizhzhia region. Russian aviation conducted airstrike at Robotyne of Zaporizhzhia region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Lyman direction Russian army shelled Nevske of Luhansk region and Terny, Yampolivka, Torske of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Novopavlivka direction Russian army shelled Heorhiyivka, Paraskoviyivka and Kostyantynivka of Donetsk region. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Krasnohorivka, Urozhayne, Vodyane, Vuhledar and Katerynivka of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Avdiyivka direction Russian army shelled Novokalynove, Novobakhmutivka, Semenivka, Nevelske. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Oleksandropil, Ocheretyne, Keramik, Novobakhmutivka, Berdychi, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Bakhmut direction Russian army shelled Bilohorivka, Verkhnokamyanske, Spirne, Chasiv Yar, Ivanivske, Stupochky, Klischiyivka, Andriyivka, Bohdanivka, Kalynivka, Chasiv Yar. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Druzhba, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

As you can see, Russia is widening the front and going very hard now. Muddy weather of Ukraine might be coming to an end so this means more attacks. Also, from the maps I have seen, the Ukrainian counteroffensives are reclaiming very little land and this is with all this equipment they had. Now, they have less equipment so how will their counteroffensives go? Or are they on just delaying and defending? Either way, they need weapons and men which they are lacking.

Here is the map if you want to see. Look at that very tiny little blue:


As for Kherson, I am mistaken it is not under Russian control but there is fight and clashes over this town.
So you are very mad about all this Russian aggression, right?
 

K1052

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As you can see, Russia is widening the front and going very hard now. Muddy weather of Ukraine might be coming to an end so this means more attacks. Also, from the maps I have seen, the Ukrainian counteroffensives are reclaiming very little land and this is with all this equipment they had. Now, they have less equipment so how will their counteroffensives go? Or are they on just delaying and defending? Either way, they need weapons and men which they are lacking.

The Ukrainians don't need to counter attack right now. If the Russians are going to jump headlong into the jaws of death on mass as they are continually doing then it is best to let them. Digging in and getting fresh supplies of munitions to welcome them is the order of the day. RU lost upwards of 300 IFVs in the last month, they clearly are not waiting for anything.
 

raildogg

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Young Grasshopper, you are making very valid points. The US talks a lot but you have to look at the actions rather than words. NATO is nothing without US and these little NATO countries know this so they are talking tough. Terrible foreign secretary Blinken said that Ukraine will be part of NATO - this is ridiculous because it means direct confrontation with Russia and NATO is not ready for that. America will have logistics problems if there is any direct confrontation meanwhile Russia has no such issues, due to geography of course. So as you say, this war is to weaken and crush Russia and then go after China next. American foreign policy is controlled by neoconservatives and the military industrial complex. This is a well known fact. Very aggressive and immoral people.

Some countries, such as Turks (who I do not trust) tried to make peace between Ukraine and Russia but the West did not allow this to happen in 2022. Why? The war has to continue in order to punish and crush Russia. Meanwhile, Ukraine is being destroyed as a result of this.

One thing I will say is that this is not going to change with a leadership change in the US. Trump is also very terrible in his foreign policy, as shown by cancelling Iran nuclear deal and killing General Soleimani, so I don't think removing Biden will change much of US neoconservative foreign policy.
 
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fskimospy

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Young Grasshopper, you are making very valid points. The US talks a lot but you have to look at the actions rather than words. NATO is nothing without US and these little NATO countries know this so they are talking tough. Terrible foreign secretary Blinken said that Ukraine will be part of NATO - this is ridiculous because it means direct confrontation with Russia and NATO is not ready for that. America will have logistics problems if there is any direct confrontation meanwhile Russia has no such issues, due to geography of course. So as you say, this war is to weaken and crush Russia and then go after China next. American foreign policy is controlled by neoconservatives and the military industrial complex. This is a well known fact. Very aggressive and immoral people.

Some countries, such as Turks (who I do not trust) tried to make peace between Ukraine and Russia but the West did not allow this to happen in 2022. Why? The war has to continue in order to punish and crush Russia. Meanwhile, Ukraine is being destroyed as a result of this.

One thing I will say is that this is not going to change with a leadership change in the US. Trump is also very terrible in his foreign policy, as shown by cancelling Iran nuclear deal and killing General Soleimani, so I don't think removing Biden will change much of US neoconservative foreign policy.
what would you think is a good outcome?
 

Pens1566

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Russia experiencing the full weight of US air power would be an exceedingly unpleasant experience for them.

Putin would be on the phone after a week begging for it to stop.

They'd be lucky to make it 72hrs.
 

brycejones

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Some countries, such as Turks (who I do not trust) tried to make peace between Ukraine and Russia but the West did not allow this to happen in 2022. Why? The war has to continue in order to punish and crush Russia. Meanwhile, Ukraine is being destroyed as a result of this.

For some weird reason the Ukrainians felt the “peace” of giving up their territory that Russia illegally invaded was something they were unwilling to do. You are being dishonest in the extreme when you say “the West did not allow”.

The US position has been very clear it is Ukraines decision on what terms they are willing to accept to end the conflict. So far for some really weird reason Ukraine’s position has remained that Russia needs to end its invasion and return to 2014 borders.

Russia is the sole country at fault for this conflict and its consequences. No one else made the decision to invade Ukraine and Putin has the power to literally end the war overnight by withdrawing his troops.
 

fskimospy

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For some weird reason the Ukrainians felt the “peace” of giving up their territory that Russia illegally invaded was something they were unwilling to do. You are being dishonest in the extreme when you say “the West did not allow”.

The US position has been very clear it is Ukraines decision on what terms they are willing to accept to end the conflict. So far for some really weird reason Ukraine’s position has remained that Russia needs to end its invasion and return to 2014 borders.

Russia is the sole country at fault for this conflict and its consequences. No one else made the decision to invade Ukraine and Putin has the power to literally end the war overnight by withdrawing his troops.
First, Russia has never shown any interest in peace, as @raildogg well knows. Second, making treaties with Russia is not possible for Ukraine because treaties with Russia are not worth the paper they are written on. After all, Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum promising never to invade Ukraine and here we are.

How do you make a deal with someone who you know won’t follow the terms?
 

K1052

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Chartered small feeder ship delivered boxes to Odessa from Constanta. Likely a test and if it goes well for a while they can talk to the lines about at least a bigger feeder service.

https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/c...r-delivers-first-containers-ukraine-two-years


The Panamanian flagged general cargo vessel T-Mare, owned by Majoris Trading of the Marshall Islands, was chartered, on 1 February according to VesselsValue data, by freight forwarder Sea Pioneer Denizcilik, headquartered in Istanbul to operate a feeder service between Constanta and ports in Odessa.

The 373 teu T-Mare made its first call at Chornomorsk on 3 April and the ship, which also has 40 reefer plugs, was carrying mainly Maersk cargo, which still will add to the Danube River container services the carrier is still operating, expanding Ukraine’s ability to import and export vital cargoes, including grains, metals and chemicals.

The ship returned to Constanta on the same day and could mark a ‘safe corridor’ for containers following Russia’s decision not to renew the grain corridor agreement in the summer of last year.

Daniil Melnychenko, an analyst with Ukrainian consultancy Informall, said: “Up to now, containertransportation has been carried out to a limited extent through Danube ports, but from today it will increase significantly.”
 
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First, Russia has never shown any interest in peace, as @raildogg well knows. Second, making treaties with Russia is not possible for Ukraine because treaties with Russia are not worth the paper they are written on. After all, Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum promising never to invade Ukraine and here we are.

How do you make a deal with someone who you know won’t follow the terms?

Might as well make a deal with Darth Vader.
 

brycejones

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First, Russia has never shown any interest in peace, as @raildogg well knows. Second, making treaties with Russia is not possible for Ukraine because treaties with Russia are not worth the paper they are written on. After all, Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum promising never to invade Ukraine and here we are.

How do you make a deal with someone who you know won’t follow the terms?
Yeah it’s impossible to take @raildogg seriously given how divorced from reality their comments are. That account is Trumpian in its separation from the truth.
 
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