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So handhelds are getting lower-power versions of Strix Point? I keep seeing only >25W listings of that chip.It means less power going to CPU in GPU-limited scenarios.
Also Kraken is a mainstream part, not a handheld one.
They're getting whatever scraps AMD offers.So handhelds are getting lower-power versions of Strix Point? I keep seeing only >25W listings of that chip.
Checked HP, ASUS, Dell and Lenovo USI checked the OEMs a couple of weeks back and
24Q1 for Hawk Point seems weird. I just checked Lenovo's website and the ThinkPads are still all Phoenix. Same with other OEMs. Hawk Point seems to be trickling out. (I don't dispute AMD sales numbers from their earnings report. Just saying that I've yet to see Hawk Point versions of the laptops I'd buy available. Perhaps they're going to gamer laptops first.)
Even so, the guidance is appreciated.
Sadly NPU will be shoved down our throats due to MS requirements. Even if the Ryzen Z series disable them, that's still wasted space that impact SoC design choices AMD has to make.I get the perf/W part, but the AI part is meaningless for the Ryzen Zx parts coming to these devices, as they're probably going to be disabled again anyway.
Z1 Extreme is both bandwidth starved and power starved. Kraken setup is much more balanced for Handheld gaming. 8 Z5 Cores + 8 RDNA 3.5 CUs. The RDNA 3.5 will also improve perf/W and v/f curve, alongside geometry and some new instructions. So you can expect an SOC design that works better at low power, with better perf/W and achieving higher clocks on the GPU side.Ok I get it, but for ~25W gaming handhelds that are choking on memory bandwidth and power for the iGPU this doesn't make it exactly a big selling point. Phoenix's 8-core CPU performance already looks pretty unbalanced compared to the GPU.
AMD being able to slot into Commercial designs is a really good move as that's one area very Intel dominated and that has good revenue potential.
Intel Low-End next year will be a interesting thing to see. According to Bionic:
Problem is, from the few reviews so far, MTL-U = RPL-U. Even in battery life (Against RPL-U), it's hit or miss depending on the OEM implementation. Here, Bionic claims that the move to Intel 3 will yield 10% PPW improvement over Intel 4 Compute Tile. But is that enough for OEMs to choose ARL-U over the cheaper RPL-U?
I believe Intel will have serious trouble at mainstream next year with competition from Kraken. <$800 will be composed of ARL-U and RPL-U. While >$800 will be RPL-H, with LNL and ARL-H slotting in >$999 designs.
KRK will outperform Intel mainstream offerings next year with a cleaner SKU line-up that's cheaper to ramp and be offered in high-volume.
Cheaper.Yup, cost wise, Raptor may be on par with Kraken
Well it doesn't.ARL, barely matching KRK performance and features, it will be more expensive to produce and will likely face capacity constraints.
RDNA 3.5 vs. RDNA 3What's the selling point of Kraken over Phoenix, specifically Hawk Point?
XDNA2 versus XDNA1 and so on and so forth.RDNA 3.5 vs. RDNA 3
Zen 5 vs. Zen 4
Both are meaningful upgrades.
Those quarter I mentioned is when they start(ed) shipping. Doesn't mean they completely eclipsed prior generation. That takes year(s).I checked the OEMs a couple of weeks back and
24Q1 for Hawk Point seems weird. I just checked Lenovo's website and the ThinkPads are still all Phoenix. Same with other OEMs. Hawk Point seems to be trickling out. (I don't dispute AMD sales numbers from their earnings report. Just saying that I've yet to see Hawk Point versions of the laptops I'd buy available. Perhaps they're going to gamer laptops first.)
Even so, the guidance is appreciated.
quartersThat takes year(s).
I think you mean Strix Point? Hawk Point is just Phoenix refresh.
Thanks. I need either very fast and a lot of cores, or a massive amount of cores, and both need to run avx-512. Right now as we speak, I have 4 9554's and a 9654 and 7 7950x running avx-512 in primegrid. I don't even turn on my dual 7763 milans or my dual 7V12 Rome's for this, as they do crap, not worth the electricity compared to Genoa/7950x.Somewhere July.
Your guess is as good as mine.
I'm a laptop guy, not anything DIY DT.
Oh you're gonna be amazedThanks. I need either very fast and a lot of cores, or a massive amount of cares, and both need to run avx-512. Right now as we speak, I have 4 9554's and a 9654 and 7 7950x running avx-512 in primegrid. I don't even turn on my dual 7763 milans or my dual 7V12 Rome's for this, as they do crap, not worth the electricity compared to Genoa/7950x.
In 9950x or Turins ?? I will have both the first month they are available. Probably QS's for Turin on ebay, as I can't afford retail for those. My 9654 Genoa on ebay is retail and it was $4315. That about my max.Oh you're gonna be amazed
Both.In 9950x or Turins ?? I will have both the first month they are available. Probably QS's for Turin on ebay, as I can't afford retail for those. My 9654 Genoa on ebay is retail and it was $4315. That about my max.
Forgot about that one.XDNA2 versus XDNA1 and so on and so forth.
We try not to think about it.Forgot about that one.
Since I show off the power of AMD server CPU's you should sell me a Turin QS for a good price. If you can, PM me. Or a 9950x QSBoth.
Well, that's water under the bridge (even though the CPU has not yet been released).We try not to think about it.
It is partially responsible for killing an actually useful feature.
It's not an if lol, Medusa is disagg as a frozen design choice.If Strix Halo performs well, and also has good power consumption / battery life, that will be a proof of concept of chiplets in mobile, and then, with chiplets in the mobile (potentially in Zen 6), we may get MALL in more mainstream chips
It's not an if lol, Medusa is disagg as a frozen design choice.
Yeah it's all one thing.Just speculating here, it would seem reasonable that following segments move to Strix Halo style disaggregation:
- all desktops
- Strix Halo successor
So, the question is if Strix Point successor is also going to follow the pattern and further Kraken successor
Not seems, that was the OG definition.It seems the original plan was for Zen 5 gen of notebook chips to be disaggregated, but only Strix Halo made it
The same.What about ram speed support
Yeah it's all one thing.
That's the idea.
Not seems, that was the OG definition.