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I did not buy the 5600X at release, I got it for $100 used in our for sale forum about a year later, so get rekt.

One of the huge caveats being with Ivy Bridge you got what you got. With Zen 3 the 3Ds showed up, allowing you a big uplift in gaming performance that could drop in the board. IB i7 benefited from zero competition and very anemic console CPUs too. Sales wise, Zen 3 has crushed everything.

I'm guessing you're talking about me? Ivy Bridge certainly didn't have VCache, but gaming isn't everything. I got the i5 3570k which was great for years but not towards the end. The lack of HT made it sluggish. Thankfully AMD never did stupid market segmentation like disabling HT or AVX(2).
 

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"Despite the addition of its newer Zen 4 chips, AMD has continued developing its Zen 3 chips, and the Ryzen 7 5700X3D was released just this year. AMD says it will continue to support AM4 for the foreseeable future as a value-centric platform for the lower end of the market, and that has certainly come to fruition — AM4, which debuted back in 2017, is in its eighth year of service, the longest-supported modern socket that still receives new processor additions."

 

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"Despite the addition of its newer Zen 4 chips, AMD has continued developing its Zen 3 chips, and the Ryzen 7 5700X3D was released just this year. AMD says it will continue to support AM4 for the foreseeable future as a value-centric platform for the lower end of the market, and that has certainly come to fruition — AM4, which debuted back in 2017, is in its eighth year of service, the longest-supported modern socket that still receives new processor additions."

I quoted this to give anyone reading it an FYI. The forum rule about having to provide your own commentary has been amended. Think of it as the "A picture is worth a 1000 words." amendment. If the content speaks for itself as this example does, there will be no action taken against you for failing to add your own hot take.

It was always silly, because you could simply type - From Tom's. Or - Yup! and you were golden. While adding nothing further to the post.

CPU rules have been updated to reflect this change.
 

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"Despite the addition of its newer Zen 4 chips, AMD has continued developing its Zen 3 chips, and the Ryzen 7 5700X3D was released just this year. AMD says it will continue to support AM4 for the foreseeable future as a value-centric platform for the lower end of the market, and that has certainly come to fruition — AM4, which debuted back in 2017, is in its eighth year of service, the longest-supported modern socket that still receives new processor additions."


I think AM4 might be the longest serving socket ever, let alone "modern socket". The only thing that comes to mind is Socket 7, or maybe AM2.
 
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The only thing I don't like about AM4 is the pins on the CPU. But then again, I always get nervous around motherboards and CPUs and anything electrical.

I really, really wish that today is my lucky day and AMD decides to launch a dual V-cache CCD 5950X on AM4. That would be an insta-buy for me!
 

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I think AM4 might be the longest serving socket ever, let alone "modern socket". The only thing that comes to mind is Socket 7, or maybe AM2.
AM4 is the GOAT and it isn't even close. Pulled AMD out of the death spiral. Not only forced the core wars, but kicked Intel's lucrative HEDT division right in the wedding tackle. Has outsold any other retail platform ever. Zen 3 is especially long lived and successful. Though the Ryzen 3600 is a legend in its own right, presently selling in the top 20 on Amazon NIB. That's almost mental historically speaking.

Anyone looking to upgrade, the 5700X3D is now $210 on Amazon. Outstanding gaming value for AM4 owners. I think it will go lower yet as summer comes on, and I have a 5600X left I can swap it for. Then it'll be an all 3D fleet.
 

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At this rate AMD will have to postpone the AM4 scheduled EOL by a year if not two.

AMD’s share in the x86 CPU market share inched upward against Intel in the first quarter thanks in part to “surprisingly strong” shipments of the company’s Ryzen 5000 desktop processors

 

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AM4's EOL can't be before 2028 anyway since AM4 is offered for embedded solutions since last year with guaranteed availability for then next 5 years. Or do you mean one or two years on top of that?

On top of what was scheduled for the consumer market of course, surely that AM4 chips are way enough in average income countries, and in rich countries that s a convenient plateform for dirt cheap PCs, even a 5600G is overkill for basic usages like social media, youtube or small office.

Embedded is a special case, since it s for pro usages they cant be as easily EOLed due to the way longer life cycle of the products in wich they are used, think medical imagery gear FI, for this latter market it would be enough to keep a given amount of chips in inventories that would last well after production has ceased.
 

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On top of what was scheduled for the consumer market of course, surely that AM4 chips are way enough in average income countries, and in rich countries that s a convenient plateform for dirt cheap PCs, even a 5600G is overkill for basic usages like social media, youtube or small office.
Bolded for truth. North Americans often forget about the rest of the world and its lower purchasing power.

AM4 is really surfing a wave of popularity which is likely to continue, since all its CPUs from ZEN+ onward are Windows 11-compatible and Win 10 support ends next year.
 

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isn't a bit weird to call it the 5900XT instead of the 5900?

But besides -100Mhz it is identical to the 5950X right?

So pricing will probably match current street price of the 5950X?
 

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What if they do drop a 5950X3D next year to mess with Intel?

I could almost see a 6 core X3D part released again if there are enough "bad" 8 core chips; more likely 5700X3D will just drop to ~$175 and be budget gaming king.
 

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I think AM4 might be the longest serving socket ever, let alone "modern socket". The only thing that comes to mind is Socket 7, or maybe AM2.
Socket 7 was from 1995 to 1999 (about 4 years)

AM2 was from 2006 to 2011 (2011, AM3+ CPUs with DDR3 memory controller released and generally broke AM2 compatibility due to lack of DDR2 support, about 5 years)

AM4 is from 2016 to present (5800XT et. al. scheduled for release in July 2024, 8+ years and counting )
 
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I feel like the right way of counting would be from the first CPU to the last that introduces something new (X3D cache, or new core count), not dumping remaining dies into in-between models.

AM4 longevity is impressive regardless though.
 

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Isn't PC hardware "dead" when it no longer has driver support on new OS's?

Or, mfg's can no longer make / sell new AM4 boards and AMD no longer sells new AM4 cpu's?
 

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Unless a higher clocked 16 core than the 5950X is released. Or a faster gaming CPU than the 5800X3D. The platform is dead from a performance perspective. Which is the one that matters most. Also dead because it is lacking the latest standards for DDR, USB, and PCIe.

By the most important metric, sales, it's a steroid monster. I don't care how fast vanilla Zen 5 gaming turns out, it'll sell poorly after the initial early adopter rush as gamers will wait for the 3D models. The 7800X3D being in the number 1 spot consistently since the holidays last year tells you everything you need to know. If a serious price drop on Zen 4 happens when Zen 5 lands, it might finally displace Zen 3 sales. But so far budget gamers are ignoring the advice to get on a live platform and are building Zen 3 anyways. I plan on staying on my Zen 3D systems a couple of more years. Battlemage is the only thing that will get me to open my wallet, if Intel does not miss the pricing on it.
 

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Unless a higher clocked 16 core than the 5950X is released. Or a faster gaming CPU than the 5800X3D. The platform is dead from a performance perspective. Which is the one that matters most. Also dead because it is lacking the latest standards for DDR, USB, and PCIe.

By the most important metric, sales, it's a steroid monster. I don't care how fast vanilla Zen 5 gaming turns out, it'll sale poorly after the initial early adopter rush as gamers will wait for the 3D models. The 7800X3D being in the number 1 spot consistently since the holidays last year tells you everything you need to know. If a serious price drop on Zen 4 happens when Zen 5 lands, it might finally displace Zen 3 sales. But so far budget gamers are ignoring the advice to get on a live platform and are building Zen 3 anyways. I plan on staying on my Zen 3D systems a couple of more years. Battlemage is the only thing that will get me to open my wallet, if Intel does not miss the pricing on it.

To me, it looks like inexpensive boards and cheap RAM are going to keep AM4 going for a while.

I think cheaper DDR5 and AM5 boards would hamper AM4, but you get so much computing power in AM4 for the money, and the X3D chips are so so good.

I have one AM5 system, and many AM4 boards with various flavors of Zen1, Zen2 and Zen3 kicking around I could slot in. I even sprung for a 5700X3D to upgrade a secondary gaming PC when the price dropped.
 

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Unless a higher clocked 16 core than the 5950X is released. Or a faster gaming CPU than the 5800X3D. The platform is dead from a performance perspective. Which is the one that matters most. Also dead because it is lacking the latest standards for DDR, USB, and PCIe.

By the most important metric, sales, it's a steroid monster. I don't care how fast vanilla Zen 5 gaming turns out, it'll sell poorly after the initial early adopter rush as gamers will wait for the 3D models. The 7800X3D being in the number 1 spot consistently since the holidays last year tells you everything you need to know. If a serious price drop on Zen 4 happens when Zen 5 lands, it might finally displace Zen 3 sales. But so far budget gamers are ignoring the advice to get on a live platform and are building Zen 3 anyways. I plan on staying on my Zen 3D systems a couple of more years. Battlemage is the only thing that will get me to open my wallet, if Intel does not miss the pricing on it.
I pulled the trigger on moving from AM4 to AM5 a lot earlier than I intended, but hear me out...

I bought a couple of Micro Center bundles with 7700X and 7900X CPUs, sold off my 5800X3D system when the 7800X3D dropped, and got lucky with a $200 motherboard+case+ATX 3.0 PSU clearance item to repurpose my 7700X CPU into. I also repurposed all my old NVME+SSD drives, cases, and PSUs, and sold off any excess hardware as I went along over the last year or so. It was a lot of work and wheeling and dealing with leftover hardware over the last year, but now I have 3 AM5 systems for around $600 out of pocket once it's all said and done. Didn't hurt that my local Micro Center had several 32GB DDR5 kits for $48 a pop at one point, which is what I got my kit for my 3rd system for. If I was into timing markets, I just about timed this one perfectly by jumping on deals when they presented themselves.

The only thing I didn't get a good deal on was the 7800X3D. I bought the 7800X3D at launch and didn't sell off the 7700X. However, I did sell the 7900X and got a 7700 open box to complete the clearance system I mentioned above while pocketing some cash in the process. It's now paired with a 3060 video card and resides with my girlfriend as a silent, low power system for her, and her daughters do some gaming on it too.

TLDR - Sold off a bunch of AM4 system hardware from 2 older builds over a period of about a year, spent about $600 out of pocket, and ended up with 3 AM5 systems.
System 1 - In my signature below
System 2 - 7700X, 32GB, 4070 Ti Super (ok, ok, I sold a 3080 10GB for $500 and bought this for $800 because bonus time)
System 3 - 7700, 32GB, 3060 12GB

System 3 $199.99 barebones kit + ~$50 for 32GB of RAM or ~$250 + tax total - I thought this was a great deal
 
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You had me at Micro Center. There have been hot deals so good of late, that if I lived near one I'd be on the 7800X3D too.

But Zen 3 3D is doing a great job for me, as gaming is the most demanding thing I do 99% of the time.
 

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I pulled the trigger on moving from AM4 to AM5 a lot earlier than I intended, but hear me out...

I bought a couple of Micro Center bundles with 7700X and 7900X CPUs, sold off my 5800X3D system when the 7800X3D dropped, and got lucky with a $200 motherboard+case+ATX 3.0 PSU clearance item to repurpose my 7700X CPU into. I also repurposed all my old NVME+SSD drives, cases, and PSUs, and sold off any excess hardware as I went along over the last year or so. It was a lot of work and wheeling and dealing with leftover hardware over the last year, but now I have 3 AM5 systems for around $600 out of pocket once it's all said and done. Didn't hurt that my local Micro Center had several 32GB DDR5 kits for $48 a pop at one point, which is what I got my kit for my 3rd system for. If I was into timing markets, I just about timed this one perfectly by jumping on deals when they presented themselves.

The only thing I didn't get a good deal on was the 7800X3D. I bought the 7800X3D at launch and didn't sell off the 7700X. However, I did sell the 7900X and got a 7700 open box to complete the clearance system I mentioned above while pocketing some cash in the process. It's now paired with a 3060 video card and resides with my girlfriend as a silent, low power system for her, and her daughters do some gaming on it too.

TLDR - Sold off a bunch of AM4 system hardware from 2 older builds over a period of about a year, spent about $600 out of pocket, and ended up with 3 AM5 systems.
System 1 - In my signature below
System 2 - 7700X, 32GB, 4070 Ti Super (ok, ok, I sold a 3080 10GB for $500 and bought this for $800 because bonus time)
System 3 - 7700, 32GB, 3060 12GB

System 3 $199.99 barebones kit + ~$50 for 32GB of RAM or ~$250 + tax total - I thought this was a great deal
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That is some smart upgrading.

I actually ended up with the 7800X3D system because I delayed jumping on the $270.00 5800X3D deal, figuring it would come back, nope, 5800X3D's crept back up to ~$350+; then Newegg had 7800X3D's for $349.99 in Oct 2023 with the bundle and save promo.

After too much cross shopping, it was just a better deal to order from Newegg than hassle the round trip drive to Micro Center for their 7800X3D combo.

It made more sense long run to spend ~$550 for X3D AM5 than $350+ for the 5800X3D.

Was that ASUS kit a one time MC thing?
 

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That is some smart upgrading.

I actually ended up with the 7800X3D system because I delayed jumping on the $270.00 5800X3D deal, figuring it would come back, nope, 5800X3D's crept back up to ~$350+; then Newegg had 7800X3D's for $349.99 in Oct 2023 with the bundle and save promo.

After too much cross shopping, it was just a better deal to order from Newegg than hassle the round trip drive to Micro Center for their 7800X3D combo.

It made more sense long run to spend ~$550 for X3D AM5 than $350+ for the 5800X3D.

Was that ASUS kit a one time MC thing?
Yes, the ASUS kit was a one time clearance and sold out very quickly. My local MC had 2 in stock and I almost picked up the 2nd one, but then I'd probably end up with 4 AM5 systems that way because I like to build things.
 
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