Israel: We Are At War

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Ajay

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And people believe there is a god. Where's the smiting?
God tends to be shockingly patient. This is good when it comes to our own faults, but horrifying when such terrible atrocities occur. The Nazis reaped what they sowed when attacking Europe and killing 6 million jews - the repercussions of Israel's actions in Gaza are that they have lost a large part of the goodwill they have been favored with. I certain that this will come back and hurt them, it's a question of how and when.
 
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Drach

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God tends to be shockingly patient. This is good when it comes to our own faults, but horrifying when such terrible atrocities occur. The Nazis reaped what they sowed when attacking Europe and killing 6 million jews - the repercussions of Israel's actions in Gaza are that they have lost a large part of the goodwill they have been favored with. I certain that this will come back and hurt them, it's a question of how and when.
If there is a god he/she is a sadist.
 
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K1052

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Somewhat surprised at this reporting.

The Unpunished: How Extremists Took Over Israel
After 50 years of failure to stop violence and terrorism against Palestinians by Jewish ultranationalists, lawlessness has become the law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/...e_code=1.sU0.B4Uq.iI5r0Url3pwv&smid=url-share

Israel certainly would not be the first state that falls to its own far right that was sympathized with and abetted for far too long. It is certainly arguable this has already effectively happened. The odds of the country cracking up or becoming a dictatorship in my lifetime seem pretty high since the far right doesn't really enjoy popular support and the conflict is going to erupt internally sooner or later.
 
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akugami

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Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. -- Samuel Johnson

We see it here in the US with Magats, and we're seeing it in Israel. Those who claim extreme patriotism are usually the ones who further fascism and authoritarianism.

I said early on in this conflict that the government of Israel has a lot of rot. I am absolutely against what Hamas did. Hamas is a terrorist group. But at the same time, anyone watching this from afar can see that the government of Israel has created a breeding ground for such violence. Israel suppressing Palestinians and denying them basic human rights is what led to this. Again, not excusing what Hamas did, but just looking at the cause and effects of things.
 

mikeymikec

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Israel certainly would not be the first state that falls to its own far right that was sympathized with and abetted for far too long. It is certainly arguable this has already effectively happened. The odds of the country cracking up or becoming a dictatorship in my lifetime seem pretty high since the far right doesn't really enjoy popular support and the conflict is going to erupt internally sooner or later.

Putting Zionism into action was bound to fall to the far-right because the very principle of it teeters on the threshold.

I think it would have taken a remarkable educational approach to have averted it, like what Germany has attempted to do post Nazi-ism.
 
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KMFJD

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You know you are doing well when you're fighting each other



Settlers assaulted a group of Israeli soldiers in the West Bank who came to the protect the driver of a vehicle they lit on a fire, according to the military. One security source told Haaretz that police have made no arrests and are not currently in control of the situation.
~It seems that legal advisors of the IDF (and the police?) informed the commanders at the field level that allowing sabotage of humanitarian aid trucks and/or their movement is not just criminal - but a war crime under the jurisdiction of the Hague Tribunal.
 
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KMFJD

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-How long before it gets blown up?
It's right along the iof's dividing line, iof is so jumpy they fragged 5 of their own this week, so i'm thinking a ff incident within a week?


Israeli troops are fortifying a strategic corridor that carves Gaza in two, building bases, taking over civilian structures and razing homes, according to satellite imagery and other visual evidence — an effort that military analysts and Israeli experts say is part of a large-scale project to reshape the Strip and entrench the Israeli military presence there.

The Netzarim Corridor is a four-mile-long road just south of Gaza City that runs from east to west, stretching from the Israeli border to the Mediterranean Sea. Hamas has made Israel’s withdrawal from the area a central demand in cease-fire negotiations.
But even as talks have continued over the past two months, Israeli forces have been digging in. Three forward operating bases have been established in the corridor since March, satellite imagery examined by The Washington Post shows, providing clues about Israel’s plans. At the sea, the road meets a new, seven-acre unloading point for a floating pier, an American project to bring more aid into Gaza.
 
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linkgoron

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This has been brewing for a while and looks to boil over.

Empty threats. Even if Gantz leaves, which imo should've happened a while ago, Netanyahu still has a majority in the Knesset, and currently I don't see his coalition falling apart.

Also, as Hezbollah has fired around 100 rockets to the north of Israel today, and in general has also attacked strategic IDF bases, things there might get hotter sooner rather than later which would postpone Gantz leaving even more.
 

K1052

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Empty threats. Even if Gantz leaves, which imo should've happened a while ago, Netanyahu still has a majority in the Knesset, and currently I don't see his coalition falling apart.

Also, as Hezbollah has fired around 100 rockets to the north of Israel today, and in general has also attacked strategic IDF bases, things there might get hotter sooner rather than later which would postpone Gantz leaving even more.

IDF brass is pushing for the same thing now because they are wearing themselves out trying to play whack a mole with Hamas in Gaza with no political plan. The prospect that the military pushes Netanyahu out of power and calls elections is non-zero now.
 
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