Why all the BS everywhere in society? People even bull**** themselves, it's become so bad.

HeXen

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Here's a question. Why are some drugs and vaccines that have "risks of side effects" are listed as "Safe" when the very definition of safe is "free from harm or risk"?

No wonder there are trust issues with the govt and medical communities. When they tell you that something is “safe” then you expect to be free from harm or risk since that's what it means and free means literally no confinement but then they list harmful side effects in a last breath, it's always secondary and sometimes you have to ask what side effects are. But like on commercials, they'll say the risks so fast that you can't understand them. To save time and money on the commercial, I noticed recently, they are starting to increase the speed to the point where the words don't even complete if you listen carefully to the point where some words are completely omitted. Just tired of hearing so much BS all the time about everything, I even told my doctor yesterday to stop saying that vaccines are safe because all of them have a risk of a negative side effect, and he told me that I'm right and that he'll try to work on how he phrases it to other patients. That's why i never got the covid vaccine, nor even a flu vaccine and have always been fine, but that's not the point, the point is just don't BS me, just be up front with all of it. If they did that more often, we wouldn't have so many divisive discussions and trust issues. The past few years alone have just been a complete fckered up joke. The whole industry needs to rephrase how they use words without leading people to believe anything specific, and then you have swaths of groups, mostly online I think, that just change definitions to whatever they feel like. Granted, I know the answer to it all...it's money primarily, and secondarily it's conditioning which is technically brainwashing. We're all conditioned in society for a lot of things, mostly for beneficial reasons but there are also quite a lot of conditioning done by others to you that are not in your best interest and this why we are where we are.

Like most or many of us are conditioned that a 40 hr work week is necessary for society to function but yet that's literally what they tried to pull when the unions came along and pushed for 40 hour work weeks and weekends and of course we obviously know that society functions just fine on 40 as a standard. We also know that society functions fine with some jobs working from home as more companies reverted, and some companies are still to this day forcing at home employees to come in despite working out fine before....anyways, I'm just nitpicking for sake of not writing a novel but just tired of so much BS, day in and day out from every MOFO out there. From the homeless guy who tried to BS me the other day with needing $.30 cents for bus fair while holding an $.89 cent fountain pop to my boss at work, to the guy at the dealership trying to BS me on taking a 14% interest rate and refinancing later despite me having an 8% preapproval from my bank and all the way to the top dumb***s of society who talk to me like I'm stupid. I went off on that sales lady at the dealership BTW, like wtf would I take a high interest loan from them and refinance later when my own bank is giving me 8%????...it just boggles my mind. I lost my cool and straight up told her that she lacks so much self awareness that she made herself retarded, and I left. I used to be able to tolerate people's BS when I was young, but lately I've been losing my cool. I guess that's why some middle-aged folks just snap. So am I just the A**hole here? I'm just supposed to smile and believe your BS?
 
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nakedfrog

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Yes, you're the asshole here. The sales lady is just doing her job, you could have simply said "no, I'll stick with my preapproval at 8%" instead of going off on her. Rest assured there's someone at the dealership breathing down her neck to try and get the financing done through their department.
Nothing is "safe". Getting the vaccine is safer than getting Covid-19.
 
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repoman0

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“No thanks, I have a better rate elsewhere.”

There’s your middle ground before smiling and believing their BS … so another vote for yes, you are the asshole here. You’re not 100% wrong in all points made in your post but you’re close.
 
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dullard

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Here's a question. Why are some drugs and vaccines that have "risks of side effects" are listed as "Safe" when the very definition of safe is "free from harm or risk"?
The problem is that your definition is incorrect. This is the actual definition in the code of federal regulations:

"Safe or safety means that there is a reasonable certainty in the minds of competent scientists that the substance is not harmful under the conditions of its intended use. It is impossible in the present state of scientific knowledge to establish with complete certainty the absolute harmlessness of the use of any substance. Safety may be determined by scientific procedures or by general recognition of safety. In determining safety, the following factors shall be considered:..."

If you want to redefine safety to be absolute certainty of harmlessness, then start lobbying your representatives to change the definition. Hint: it won't happen. Hint 2: your definition would outlaw all food and all drugs since everything you do has at least some possibility of risk.
 
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If you think the ads are being dishonest or not balanced between safety and efficacy, file a complaint with the FDA's OPDP's (Office of Prescription Drug Promotion) Bad Ad program. The FDA comes down on that stuff.

Anyway, safe just means the benefits greatly outweigh the risks in the intended use case. Sorry to see that you're getting your knickers all twisted because you appear to just want to be angry about things you don't seem to understand.
 
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Do yo suggest talk therapy to others as a matter of practice? Or are you also a client of the helping profession?
He just seems very unnecessarily angry. I've seen people in my life get help for their emotional issues by going to therapy, so perhaps the OP might consider giving it a try. It's also mental health awareness month.
 

Red Squirrel

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I have to agree with OP. It seems we are BSed everywhere now days, we've just gotten so accustomed to it and most of the time just take it. Drug symptoms or health risks of procedures is only one example. Just look at specs on most things, everything is basically based on "best case scenario that will never happen" or has weird marketing reason to be real but really isn't, but we just accept that as normal. You're never going to get 5,000 watts out of that speaker system that runs on a 15 amp outlet. That flashlight running on 2x AA cells is NOT 5,000,000 lumens. That 1TB drive is actually about 953GB. etc. There is a reason that makes those numbers valid, but that reason is part of the BS they feed us instead of just being up front.

Basically when a certain party want us to do something in their own interest, whether it's taking a drug, or buying something, they will make sure to brush off any negatives and manipulate the positives. This is basically sales 101. We've just gotten so accustomed to it that we just take it. Even the government does it to us all the time when they try to convince us why spending 10 billion dollars on XYZ is a good thing, or why we should comply with yet another law or regulation. The covid hysteria really brought a lot of this to light.
 

Red Squirrel

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The problem is that your definition is incorrect. This is the actual definition in the code of federal regulations:

"Safe or safety means that there is a reasonable certainty in the minds of competent scientists that the substance is not harmful under the conditions of its intended use. It is impossible in the present state of scientific knowledge to establish with complete certainty the absolute harmlessness of the use of any substance. Safety may be determined by scientific procedures or by general recognition of safety. In determining safety, the following factors shall be considered:..."

If you want to redefine safety to be absolute certainty of harmlessness, then start lobbying your representatives to change the definition. Hint: it won't happen. Hint 2: your definition would outlaw all food and all drugs since everything you do has at least some possibility of risk.

I'd say that very thing is part of the BS games they play. They decided to manipulate the definition of safe in their own favour.

If you turn the tables around, the government would never accept that definition from you. If you are building a house, they expect it to be 100% safe and 100% to code or they won't pass you. Telling them you have reasonable certainty that it's to code and won't collapse is not going to fly with them.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Dumb people, dumb people everywhere...

Society is full of morons who lack self-awareness - calling them out on their BS makes ya feel good, but these oafs just plod along in the hopes the next sucker will take that 14% rate or give em a hand out. They never change.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Society has always been full of BS.

Work hard in a shit job every day of your life, sacrifice time with your loved ones, and God will reward you in heaven. Bullshit to make some other asshole richer.

Women are inherently inferior to men. Because reasons. Bullshit.

This guy owns the entire country and inherited it from his dad because God. Bullshit.

And on and on and on.
 
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Muse

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I heard it from the mouth of Aldous Huxley many years ago when he sat down with us undergraduates in our dormitory's common area. He ruminated "sanity is a very rare thing."

Here's one of my favorite songs.

Bad Religion - Sanity

 

[DHT]Osiris

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But like on commercials, they'll say the risks so fast that you can't understand them. To save time and money on the commercial, I noticed recently, they are starting to increase the speed to the point where the words don't even complete if you listen carefully to the point where some words are completely omitted. Just tired of hearing so much BS all the time about everything, I even told my doctor yesterday to stop saying that vaccines are safe because all of them have a risk of a negative side effect, and he told me that I'm right and that he'll try to work on how he phrases it to other patients.
Calm down, you aren't the target audience. They're rent-seeking old people and people with very specific medical conditions. Tune it out or stay off of TV.
That's why i never got the covid vaccine, nor even a flu vaccine and have always been fine, but that's not the point, the point is just don't BS me, just be up front with all of it.
This is dumb. Spoiler: if the govt is willing to pay for it for everyone, it's worth having. Get vaccines.
Like most or many of us are conditioned that a 40 hr work week is necessary for society to function but yet that's literally what they tried to pull when the unions came along and pushed for 40 hour work weeks and weekends and of course we obviously know that society functions just fine on 40 as a standard. We also know that society functions fine with some jobs working from home as more companies reverted, and some companies are still to this day forcing at home employees to come in despite working out fine before....anyways, I'm just nitpicking for sake of not writing a novel but just tired of so much BS, day in and day out from every MOFO out there. From the homeless guy who tried to BS me the other day with needing $.30 cents for bus fair while holding an $.89 cent fountain pop to my boss at work, to the guy at the dealership trying to BS me on taking a 14% interest rate and refinancing later despite me having an 8% preapproval from my bank and all the way to the top dumb***s of society who talk to me like I'm stupid. I went off on that sales lady at the dealership BTW, like wtf would I take a high interest loan from them and refinance later when my own bank is giving me 8%????...it just boggles my mind. I lost my cool and straight up told her that she lacks so much self awareness that she made herself retarded, and I left. I used to be able to tolerate people's BS when I was young, but lately I've been losing my cool. I guess that's why some middle-aged folks just snap. So am I just the A**hole here? I'm just supposed to smile and believe your BS?
Yeah you're the asshole. If you haven't figured out yet that most people who you encounter's jobs are just extracting money from you, you haven't been paying attention. Treat strangers like internet popup ads and find peace with yourself and your surroundings. If you can't, seek professional help to assist you with that.
 
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WelshBloke

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I'd say that very thing is part of the BS games they play. They decided to manipulate the definition of safe in their own favour.

If you turn the tables around, the government would never accept that definition from you. If you are building a house, they expect it to be 100% safe and 100% to code or they won't pass you. Telling them you have reasonable certainty that it's to code and won't collapse is not going to fly with them.
Literally nothing is 100% safe.
 

dullard

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I'd say that very thing is part of the BS games they play. They decided to manipulate the definition of safe in their own favour.

If you turn the tables around, the government would never accept that definition from you. If you are building a house, they expect it to be 100% safe and 100% to code or they won't pass you. Telling them you have reasonable certainty that it's to code and won't collapse is not going to fly with them.
It is the only possible definition that is feasible. ANYTHING has risks. Even with something as simple as water. Too much water will kill you if you drink it all at once or if you drown in it. And we know we need water to live. So, (1) using no water kills you and (2) using water can kill you. So, the actual decision point is not whether or not water can cause harm. The actual decision point is if option (1) or option (2) is safer. I think anyone can agree drinking water or drinking water-based drinks is safer than dehydrating to death.

Same with something like food. Someone, somewhere will have an allergic reaction to any food item you can imagine. Or, someone, somewhere could choke on just about any food item. We don't ban foods just because they aren't 100% safe. Because banning foods is the only way to be 100% unsafe.

Instead we determine if the food or drug is reasonably safe, and must be safer as a whole than NOT having the food/drug for the intended users as a whole in the intended use. Next, we let the businesses have the freedom to incorporate ingredients/drugs as they deem safe. Finally, we do continual monitoring afterwards and pull the item if later tests deem them to be unsafe. Tara flour is a recent example. We thought it might be safe, just this week evidence proved it to be unsafe, and it is now banned in the US: https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024...not-safe-500-were-sickened-by-the-ingredient/


As for your building code example, building codes don't guarantee safety in all cases. It just should be safe in most typical uses. All you have to do is show you meet the code--not that your design is 100% safe.
 
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Muse

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Imagine the hilarious size of the book you'd get with a car!
I see warning stickers on some products I procure saying it may contain a substance established to be a carcinogen. I usually have no idea of how substantial a risk it is and do not discard the item. My car would certainly qualify, my bicycle too and probably all my shoes.
 
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