Fontana, CA cops lie and torture man into false confession. Threaten to kill his dog.

Paratus

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so the father went out for a walk with the dog. The dog came back a short time later without the father. The son called the police when the father didn’t return. Police decided he killed his father and “interrogated “ him until he confessed by lying that they had found his body and was now in the morgue and humans can totally kill people and then block it out.

The father (and this is weird) was found at the airport waiting for a domestic flight to go visit his daughter. After finding out the father was alive they didn’t tell the son and instead used the “confession “ to go looking through the house for evidence of other crimes because hey he must have killed somebody.

Totally WTF story
 

SteveGrabowski

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so the father went out for a walk with the dog. The dog came back a short time later without the father. The son called the police when the father didn’t return. Police decided he killed his father and “interrogated “ him until he confessed by lying that they had found his body and was now in the morgue and humans can totally kill people and then block it out.

The father (and this is weird) was found at the airport waiting for a domestic flight to go visit his daughter. After finding out the father was alive they didn’t tell the son and instead used the “confession “ to go looking through the house for evidence of other crimes because hey he must have killed somebody.

Totally WTF story
Not really a WTF story, more an ACAB story
 
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so the father went out for a walk with the dog. The dog came back a short time later without the father. The son called the police when the father didn’t return. Police decided he killed his father and “interrogated “ him until he confessed by lying that they had found his body and was now in the morgue and humans can totally kill people and then block it out.

The father (and this is weird) was found at the airport waiting for a domestic flight to go visit his daughter. After finding out the father was alive they didn’t tell the son and instead used the “confession “ to go looking through the house for evidence of other crimes because hey he must have killed somebody.

Totally WTF story
But we can't hold these people professionally accountable. They're all big fucking babies who will initiate illegal job actions due to people having the audacity to push them to behave and act in a professional manner. And they'll wield their political power to topple anyone that stands in their way of killing dogs and playing candy crush.
 

nickqt

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That this happens every single day shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who pays attention. If that was a black kid, we wouldn't even be hearing about it.

That anyone believes the average police officer is going to protect you, your family, or your community once fascist paramilitaries start acting under color of law is what confuses me.

Not to mention, a whole shit load of these state actors are already members of fascist paramilitaries. There will be cops providing intel to paramilitaries. I mean, they already are. Right now. Today.

It's why I will continue to advise people on the left to purchase and learn how to safely own and operate a firearm. You aren't learning how to safely own and operate a firearm to hold off the US military. It's to protect yourself when Sheriff Dipshit and his 4 or 5 friends all come around to your part of town to settle some scores and take some shit they believe you shouldn't have. A community that is unable to protect itself isn't a community, it's a bunch of random people on their own.

Anyone on the left who refuses to learn how to defend themselves using basic tools is whistling into a bullhorn as they pass the cemetery that is quickly encircling this entire country. It's easy to laugh at Meal Team 6 and the Gravy Seals but they have the gear and they're training. What do you have, your representatives' mailing address and the local police phone number? You must not believe Trump and Co. are actually dangerous if investing into a firearm is a bridge too far.

But I digress.
 

dank69

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That this happens every single day shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who pays attention. If that was a black kid, we wouldn't even be hearing about it.

That anyone believes the average police officer is going to protect you, your family, or your community once fascist paramilitaries start acting under color of law is what confuses me.

Not to mention, a whole shit load of these state actors are already members of fascist paramilitaries. There will be cops providing intel to paramilitaries. I mean, they already are. Right now. Today.

It's why I will continue to advise people on the left to purchase and learn how to safely own and operate a firearm. You aren't learning how to safely own and operate a firearm to hold off the US military. It's to protect yourself when Sheriff Dipshit and his 4 or 5 friends all come around to your part of town to settle some scores and take some shit they believe you shouldn't have. A community that is unable to protect itself isn't a community, it's a bunch of random people on their own.

Anyone on the left who refuses to learn how to defend themselves using basic tools is whistling into a bullhorn as they pass the cemetery that is quickly encircling this entire country. It's easy to laugh at Meal Team 6 and the Gravy Seals but they have the gear and they're training. What do you have, your representatives' mailing address and the local police phone number? You must not believe Trump and Co. are actually dangerous if investing into a firearm is a bridge too far.

But I digress.
I hear you, but if you successfully defend yourself from Sheriff Dipshit with a firearm (and that is a big IF), you are going to be going to jail or end up dead regardless of whether or not you were in the right.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I hear you, but if you successfully defend yourself from Sheriff Dipshit with a firearm (and that is a big IF), you are going to be going to jail or end up dead regardless of whether or not you were in the right.
Looking a lot like you might end up dead either way, in a few places. May as well get a fighting chance out of it.
 

nickqt

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I hear you, but if you successfully defend yourself from Sheriff Dipshit with a firearm (and that is a big IF), you are going to be going to jail or end up dead regardless of whether or not you were in the right.
Acting under color of law doesn't equate to acting officially. And Sheriff Dipshit ain't going to be there bashing down your door, just like Strongman Trump wasn't going to be on steps of the Capitol barking orders to a few dipshits wearing capes.

Between the ability to have cameras monitoring your house saved to a cloud, and the way in which Sheriff Dipshit's buddies come to your community to start trouble, Sheriff Dipshit isn't going to be admitting to having any part in it.

Not to mention, I'd rather be facing charges than being a pallbearer for someone in my family or community.

If you actually believe Trump is dangerous because of the people who will be emboldened to act, such as paramilitaries and right-wing terrorist cells, then safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm carries close to zero downsides besides an initial investment of money into the gear and the training to use that gear. But that's how almost all investments work.
 
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Ajay

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Amazing how the British system changed so that police had to preserve the dignity and innocence of a person of interest during an interview with the suspect. Although it may be abused, they are not allowed to use deceit to try and trick the suspect, nevermind torture them with horrifying 17 hour interviews. Maybe someday the US will learn.
 
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dank69

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Acting under color of law doesn't equate to acting officially. And Sheriff Dipshit ain't going to be there bashing down your door, just like Strongman Trump wasn't going to be on steps of the Capitol barking orders to a few dipshits wearing capes.

Between the ability to have cameras monitoring your house saved to a cloud, and the way in which Sheriff Dipshit's buddies come to your community to start trouble, Sheriff Dipshit isn't going to be admitting to having any part in it.

Not to mention, I'd rather be facing charges than being a pallbearer for someone in my family or community.
If you shoot a cop, even in self defense, every boy in blue in a 4000 mile radius will be volunteering to bring you to "justice." They won't be concerned about taking you or your family alive in the process, and they certainly won't be worried about public backlash. Atrocities happen at the hands of cops every day, many caught on camera, and there is nothing we can do about it.

If you actually believe Trump is dangerous because of the people who will be emboldened to act, such as paramilitaries and right-wing terrorist cells, then safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm carries close to zero downsides besides an initial investment of money into the gear and the training to use that gear. But that's how almost all investments work.
I just don't see roving paramilitaries as particularly likely. If it aint government sanctioned, then government is going to come down hard on it.
 
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nickqt

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If you shoot a cop, even in self defense, every boy in blue in a 4000 mile radius will be volunteering to bring you to "justice." They won't be concerned about taking you or your family alive in the process, and they certainly won't be worried about public backlash. Atrocities happen at the hands of cops every day, many caught on camera, and there is nothing we can do about it.


I just don't see roving paramilitaries as particularly likely. If it aint government sanctioned, then government is going to come down hard on it.
I'll say this a 3rd or 4th time: local cops ain't going to be the ones bashing down your door, and Sheriff Dipshit isn't going to be there with his bodycam on. It's going to be unofficial people who are acting under color of law, which is to say, pretending like they have authority because authority figures are looking the other way.

In the early stages of fascism, there are still laws on the books and the media is still operating. A couple of Ring Cameras will be more than enough to prove that you and your family were protecting yourselves and acting in self defense. And the police are not going to come out and say they support murdering people in the community...yet.

If you feel like you'll probably fare well in the early stages because you can pass as an in-group member who the fascists will overlook, that's fine. But there are millions of people who are not able to pass as a typical straight white Christian. Those are the people who should be preparing to defend themselves.
 

skyking

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Let me come help with my gun.
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Never call them ever for something that requires any common sense or compassion. Just do it yourself.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Fontana had long been a steel-town --- Kaiser Steel, in fact. I never imagined that there was much that was very "toney" about Fontana neighborhoods. One of the big news items for the last 30 years was the EPA superfund cleanup required for what became known as "The Stringfellow Acid Pits". But I don't go over there -- have no need for anything requiring it.

Otherwise this is the most incredible story I've ever heard about police over-reach. It sounds like a bunch of adolescents playing a prank on someone with the criminal justice system. I'm not arguing that the story must be wrong, but the story is so incredible with its nightmare outcome, you have to wonder.
 

iRONic

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Let me come help with my gun. Never call them ever for something that requires any common sense or compassion. Just do it yourself.
Exactly! And just use a .22, don't go out there with an AR and destroy the poor animal.

JFC… I sure as hell love dogs more than some fucking people.
 

Leeea

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I am on a lot of meds.

I am more terrified of the police then the criminals.

All they have to do is withhold my meds and I go straight to Hell. Daemons and all.


Its time for reform.
 

skyking

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Exactly! And just use a .22, don't go out there with an AR and destroy the poor animal.

JFC… I sure as hell love dogs more than some fucking people.
Sorry for the confusion, that first sentence was pure sarcasm about how they come help with a gun. With the cops, it always comes with the gun.
 
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fskimospy

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The problem is if you try to hold cops accountable for this egregious misconduct the response is they stop doing their jobs.
 
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skyking

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Although I think all public sector unions should be disbanded.
Why do you think that is appropriate? Those workers don't deserve representation?
That was Great Ronnie's first major action, firing all the air traffic controllers and breaking up Patco.
Then the watersports began.
I had enough getting pissed on in the ensuing years. No thanks.
 

fskimospy

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Why do you think that is appropriate? Those workers don't deserve representation?
That was Great Ronnie's first major action, firing all the air traffic controllers and breaking up Patco.
Then the watersports began.
I had enough getting pissed on in the ensuing years. No thanks.
The reason is that private sector unions have a shared objective, for the business to do well. I am a huge fan of private sector unions.

Public sector unions don’t have the same constraint so they become parasites.
 
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