Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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poke01

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Since we’ve desparately been looking for leaks days ahead of Computex, here are some:

Zen5 19% faster than Zen4:


Zen5 slower than 14900K in ST perf (which is all that matters to some):

These are all fake.
 

RnR_au

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So Zen 5 30% IPC when? My feeble brain can't comprehend all this icc/gcc Spec this, Spec that mumbo jumbo.
That 30% IPC value clearly comes from low effort sources like userbenchmark. The more authoritative value of +75% IPC gain comes from a consensus of smart good looking Anandtech forum posters.

This week will be loooong...

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Markfw

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Since we’ve desparately been looking for leaks days ahead of Computex, here are some:

Zen5 19% faster than Zen4:


Zen5 slower than 14900K in ST perf (which is all that matters to some):

Even if these were real, they are not using the Intel supported "Intel BIOS setup" or whatever you want to call it, that is like 10% slower than they used to be.
 
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poke01

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Even if these were real, they are not using the Intel supported "Intel BIOS setup" or whatever you want to call it, that is like 10% slower than they used to be.
there are many Intel specific optimisations that is slowly eroding. Cinebnch r23 was highly optimised for Intel CPUs and even for AMD it wasn’t fair. Let alone other CPU architectures.

With more companies wanting a fairer benchmark is I guess why Cinebench 2024 was created. It probably had input from AMD, Qualcomm and Apple.

Long gone are the days of total Intel domination in client.
 
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I am working on a benchmark similar to Geekbench (in that it uses similar workloads), but I have no timeline for completion. I'm also thinking about making it open source and cross platform, but we will see. I'm undecided as of yet. I will probably release initial versions for free and decide after.
How about a limited beta so we can give feedback? You don't need it to have a GUI for it to be ready. I like Blender CLI and Geekbench CLI is also fine.
 
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I don't see why they also wouldn't be competitive with say 8+16 vs 8+32 on Intel's side (or both 48 threads) in the future?
We need data on how fast (or slow) Zen5c is compared to Golden Cove coz that's what those threads will need to face-off against in the form of Skymont cores. I personally think Zen5c may just have a slight edge but HT threads against real threads is gonna make things a bit hairy. Branchy code may win on Skymont. Another problem is memory support. Intel will probably still maintain a lead in the highest possible DDR5 speeds.
 
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