Ah of course, the German Mindfactory users are ultra-rational ubermensch consumers. I should have known. But anyone who tries to extrapolate from AMD's dominance in Mindfactory sales to dominance in revenue or market share will be sorely disappointed and has been since as long as they've released figures.I said that the R5 1600 was selling less than the inferior 2500K, did you even read what i wrote, where did i say that the 8350 was supposed to sell better than the 2500K..?.
So much or being dense.
And the 2500K is still selling better than the 8350, also only in German they knew that both the 2500K and 3570K where trash actually because they couldnt multitask at all and were far below the 8350 in this respect, that was demonstrated by Computerbase at the time, that s what made the difference with most US sites that were superficial.
But it is Zen 5 related as soon as it goes on sale. Granite Ridge isn't gonna do much for AMD's market share. But I'm sure those charts from Germany will look nice.Could we forget the non-Zen5 stuff ??? Make a new thread. You guys are so bored with no Zen 5 results, you insist in talking about everything else BUT Zen 5.
4 days to go, take a chill pill !
That s not the point, in the list you provided Intel s marketshare is about 75% and AMD 25%, and that s with Zen 1 released, so what was it before, you think that it was higher than 20%..?.Ah of course, the German Mindfactory users are ultra-rational ubermensch consumers. I should have known. But anyone who tries to extrapolate from AMD's dominance in Mindfactory sales to dominance in revenue or market share will be sorely disappointed and has been since as long as they've released figures.
Goal posts have not shifted. Do not look for big trends from Mindfactory sales like the TechEpiphany tweet that spawned this subject did.That s not the point, in the list you provided Intel s marketshare is about 75% and AMD 25%, and that s with Zen 1 released, so what was it before, you think that it was higher than 20%..?.
My point was that circa 2015-2016 AMD was at a much lower marketshare than 20% at Mindfactory, and your own numbers just prove it.
Dont change the goal poasts by talking of the 8350 that sold well because it was fire sold at an average of 70€ when Zen 1 was released, that s annual sales btw.
Mercury account only OEMs sales, and only the biggest ones, the Minisforum and other Geekom are not accounted, let alone the retail CPU market.Mercury says AMD's market share in 2016 was <10%.
Comparing Mindfactory figures from 2015 to 2016 says about 18%. Or 80% higher than the world average. Germany DIY is an extremely aberrant (read: pro-AMD) and no extrapolation should ever be made from it. Do so at your own peril. Mindfactory shows Radeon selling well but we all know that's not the case based on RTG's finances, Steam Survey, and so on.
My point remains the same. Mindfactory is and has been disproportionately AMD. Intel sells more than 8% of the units in DIY pretty much everywhere else in the world.Mercury account only OEMs sales, and only the biggest ones, the Minisforum and other Geekom are not accounted, let alone the retail CPU market.
Notice that they do the same for GPUs, they account only the GPUs sold in commercial PCs, be it laptops or DTs, when you buy a dGPU or CPU at Mindfactory, Amazon or Microcenter this is outside of their radar.
Now from Mindfactory numbers we can infer that there s way more than 500k CPU sold each year in germany, more likely something like 1M, and this amount to 20% of the CPUs sold in laptops or commercial PCs there.
Actually only 3 days, Keynote is monday morning Taiwan Time, so it will drop in the middle of the night from Sunday to Monday for europeans and Sunday evening for people in US/American.4 days to go, take a chill pill !
And for anyone who doesn't want to miss it, AMD has a link to add it to your calendar here: https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/events/computex.htmlActually only 3 days, Keynote is monday morning Taiwan Time, so it will drop in the middle of the night from Sunday to Monday for europeans and Sunday evening for people in US/American.
My point remains the same. Mindfactory is and has been disproportionately AMD. Intel sells more than 8% of the units in DIY pretty much everywhere else in the world.
Mindfactory is at 92 to 8% Intel.
Korea DIY CPU sales from Danawa Research meanwhile have 55% to 45%.
Don't pretend Mindfactory/Germany DIY market in general is normal. You can argue brand loyalty doesn't exist but you're proof it does. In any case the end result is Mindfactory sales cannot be generalized. Zen is on a long march to take market share from Intel and even in the DIY markets it isn't near what the Mindfactory numbers suggest.
Could we forget the non-Zen5 stuff ??? Make a new thread. You guys are so bored with no Zen 5 results, you insist in talking about everything else BUT Zen 5.
4 days to go, take a chill pill !
Goal posts have not shifted. Do not look for big trends from Mindfactory sales like the TechEpiphany tweet that spawned this subject did.
Mercury says AMD's market share in 2016 was <10%. Comparing Mindfactory figures from 2015 to 2016 says about 18%. Or 80% higher than the world average. German DIY is an extremely aberrant (read: pro-AMD) market and no extrapolation should ever be made from it. Do so at your own peril. Mindfactory today shows Radeon selling well but we all know that's not the case based on RTG's finances, Steam Survey, and so on.
I would love to see a graph of that.For example, after release of Alder Lake, Intel sales have improved, and stayed OKish until they started to collapse with the release of 7800x3d.
I would love to see a graph of that.
Who? Abwx? Or someone on Twitter?Maybe you can ask him nicely to post some of his archives.
That is a ridiculous take frankly. Markets aren't in multiple dimensions. Hard numbers can't and shouldn't be trusted to apply everywhere, but greater trends are the same everywhere.German DIY is an extremely aberrant (read: pro-AMD) market and no extrapolation should ever be made from it. Do so at your own peril. Mindfactory today shows Radeon selling well but we all know that's not the case based on RTG's finances, Steam Survey, and so on.
TechEpiphamy's original Twitter account was suspended, and that account had a goldmine, years of sales statistics.Who? Abwx? Or someone on Twitter?
I don't use twitter much. If it's Abwx, can you please post a historical graph of Intel vs. AMD sales from the time when Alder Lake was launched till now?
64.5 lol. It's 9:30 GMT+8 on monday.How many hours more until Lisa Su's Computex Keynote?
That is a ridiculous take frankly. Markets aren't in multiple dimensions. Hard numbers can't and shouldn't be trusted to apply everywhere, but greater trends are the same everywhere.
I've also bothered to look up Amazon France, Germany, Switzerland, UK, US, Spain, Italy, etc, and check their top sold CPUs: it's all strongly Ryzen, with more or less Intel, but Ryzen tops them all.
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5:30 AM for me. I might get late for office. Dang it. Couldn't they pick a time neutral for the majority of timezones in the world???64.5 lol. It's 9:30 GMT+8 on monday.