Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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IEC

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+16% is geomean Zen 5 vs Zen 4.

Keeping in mind the TDP for 12/8/6 core models is significantly less (in case of 7700X --> 9700X is going from 105W to 65W). We also don't know if the average clocks during full loads are the same or better, either. fMax being the same doesn't mean much if the AVX2 all-core clock is significantly better...
 

poke01

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+16% is geomean Zen 5 vs Zen 4.

Keeping in mind the TDP for 12/8/6 core models is significantly less (in case of 7700X --> 9700X is going from 105W to 65W). We also don't know if the average clocks during full loads are the same or better, either. fMax being the same doesn't mean much if the AVX2 all-core clock is significantly better...
its tested againt the 9950x. imo this is worse than Zen 4. I want to see the breakdown of ipc improvements
 

Geddagod

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Yeah, they really made their bed here.
In the case of MLID, a broken clock is right twice a day.
It's funny tho, bcuz in the case of Intel, it looks like he got LNC and SKM switched (huge improvement in little core, smol improvement in big core). But I'm not gonna say anything just yet cuz Intel's official event is tmmrw...
 

Geddagod

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its tested againt the 9950x. imo this is worse than Zen 4. I want to see the breakdown of ipc improvements
I think 16% is underwhelming, and deff worse than Zen 4, but I also don't think it's atrocious.
Also, do you guys notice that the perf uplift in gaming seems to be... weird? Their comparison vs the 14900k (at least from that videocardz leak) is like 13% better on average, which would mean that it's 25-30% better than Zen 4.
 

Makaveli

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CPU upgrades with the same socket only make sense when you have really cheap SKUs that you buy with the aim to keep it for the short term, until you get something more expensive that suits your needs.

For AM4, it meant buying a 5600X and waiting for either the 5800X3D for gaming or 5900X/5950X for productivity.
I did 3800X - 5800X - 5800X3D
 

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Clock rates, TDPs, you got coaxed into a snafu. Such things happen. But two in a row now...
No, not that.
At 16% PPC they're physically not getting that 128c socket score.
96c you can game with magical v/f curves being magically way better, but not 33% more cores ISO-ish node.
Which is, I think, why humility and caution in one's public statements can be advisable.
AMD hasn't lied or missed a single DC part in Zen history so this would be a first.
Everything since Rome was exactly as promised.
 
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Jayzen

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No Profanity in Tech.
I'm really starting to hate MS. coploit that.

Well, [Retracted], join the club. MS has always been a cancer on the computing industry.

No, not that.
At 16% PPC they're physically not getting that 128c socket score.
96c you can game with magical v/f curves being magically way better, but not 33% more cores ISO-ish node.

AMD hasn't lied or missed a single DC part in Zen history so this would be a first.
Everything since Rome was exactly as promised.

Dude, you got duped. Get over it.
 
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Saylick

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I'm really starting to hate MS. coploit that.
You can thank all the tech giants, imo. Google, MS, Meta, etc.

All have stagnant growth, so when given even a sliver of chance to break into a new potentially multi-billion dollar market, they will go all in to appease investors because these types of things are generally winner takes all.

Fwiw, I'm not loving it either.
 
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