Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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DrMrLordX

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What do you mean? No hope in Arrow Lake?
Probably not. If Intel's own leaked slides are any indicator, they're only looking at +5-6% ST and +20% MT total performance gain over Raptor Lake 8+16 at the same PL2. And the way people run their Raptor Lakes, real-world performance gain may not be much better, especially if performance scaling at high power values isn't as good on TSMC N3b. At least Arrow Lake will probably do better at lower power values.

Have to say I'm a little disappointed with the Zen5 numbers, but eh whatever I wasn't going to buy this generation anyway so what do I care?
 
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IronLynx

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Dude, you got duped. Get over it.

If ADROC's claims about server SIR disclosure are correct, there will be some hell to pay. Big players don't like underdelivering. Something is hanging the expected performance/is neutered. Maybe we will only know at the Zen6 launch.IF, for some reason, Zen6 gets a bigger IPC than Zen5, we know something is wrong with Zen5.
 

Markfw

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I think 16% is underwhelming, and deff worse than Zen 4, but I also don't think it's atrocious.
Also, do you guys notice that the perf uplift in gaming seems to be... weird? Their comparison vs the 14900k (at least from that videocardz leak) is like 13% better on average, which would mean that it's 25-30% better than Zen 4.
That would be due to the new core IMO. And that makes it better than the 7950x3d in games, so no waiting on a better game CPU
 

Hulk

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AMD pulled a sneak tactic and used AES test GB5 in the geomean instead of GB5 1t.
AMD just continues to produce solid across-the-board gains with great efficiency.

While I have a 14900K (underclocked), the reality is that I suspect an efficient cool running 9950X will put up 45,000 CB R23 points. A 14900KS has to be volted and clocked to within an inch of it's quickly degrading life to approach such a score and needs a custom loop and chiller as well. Yes I know Zen 5 will compete against ARL but Zen 5 will stand alone for quite some time I think even if Intel manages to push ARL out the door in quantity by the end of the year.

In addition, the enormous rumored IPC gains of Skymont are going to have to be a reality for ARL to compete with Zen 5 considering the former's lack of HT.

Looks like AMD just "called" on Intel. We'll see if Intel is bluffing or not soon enough.

+5% IPC for Zen 5 would have been a stumble. +10% would have been "meh." +16% is good in my book. 20% or more would have been great.
 
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