Not until we get Firestorm at 5GHz.Now is it okay to ask for more than 16 Cores in desktop?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/17031/anandtech-interviews-mike-clark-amds-chief-architect-of-zenNo it’s not. ARM did 16% YoY vs AMD’s 8% YoY.
Apple did 7% IPC M3 -> M4 in 7 months. That’s also a company that’s lost a lot of CPU talent recently.
AMD is actually on the low end.
APX is just aa64: x86 edition. Except the whole "cleaning the ISA" part.The big IPC gain (for both AMD and intel) will come after the 'proper' implementation of Intel's new APX instruction set.
7800X3D. You know. Just the best gaming part which may also be the best selling DIY CPU currently...what special did AMD do in 2023
Zen5 X3D may need to release sooner than claimed so I guess that's an upside.
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M4 is biggest jump since M1. Apple is having trouble as well, they seemed to hit a IPC wall.
Compared to a single competitor who hasn't even had any of those results actually validated outside of geekbench and software that is heavily optimized for apple compilers. Go look at the M2 on openbenchmark and see how well it performs even comapred to zen 2. https://openbenchmarking.org/vs/Processor/Apple+M2,AMD+Ryzen+7+4800UNo it’s not. ARM did 16% YoY vs AMD’s 8% YoY.
Apple did 7% IPC M3 -> M4 in 7 months. That’s also a company that’s lost a lot of CPU talent recently.
AMD is actually on the low end.
It's bad because AMD delivered moar 1t than that each core.Its actually really weird to me how many people apparently want to believe 15% is bad
Nobody really noticed that they used 9950X and 7700X for Gen. Vs. Gen. comparison (GNR-03, probably IPC) ?
Guess nobody cares about power anymore eh? How much more efficient was Zen4 compared to Zen3?Zen 4 was fine with even less because it had a higher clock rate than it's predecessor.
For the 1T boost clock? I was under the impression it was nowhere near TDP. Not sure why that would matter.Guess nobody cares about power anymore eh? How much more efficient was Zen4 compared to Zen3?
Not trying to patronize, its a genuine question, because they raised TDPs quite a bit with that clock gain.
That's nT power, not really relevant to the discussion here.Guess nobody cares about power anymore eh? How much more efficient was Zen4 compared to Zen3?
Not trying to patronize, its a genuine question, because they raised TDPs quite a bit with that clock gain.
And still its so early, AMDs supposedly lower power with Z5 could be much overstated, don't get me wrong.
Yeah... Doesn't look good.Looking at
It seems like the 9950X will still be quite a bit slower than the X3D zen 4s for gaming. My guess is Zen 5 X3D will be later this year then.
Given arrowlake loses HT don't think a 8P 16E will be much faster if any than the 9950X in productivity / content creation.
I think you're over valuing the ARM and Apple IPC improvements. M4 was like 5% improvement and has been <= 5% for multiple generations now. The latest ARM big core seems to be < 10% though that's still TBD with proper testing. Apple (and ARM to a degree) have mostly been increasing performance through clock gains. Apple is still IPC king because of the lead they had starting several years ago, but IPC increases have not been good as of late.
lol it all matters? Why wouldn't it matterFor the 1T boost clock? I was under the impression it was nowhere near TDP. Not sure why that would matter.
M4 is also a new core that actually had IPC improvements. Plus Apple stalled. Lost talent.
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I’m sorry but AMD has CPU talent. It’s what makes AMD, AMD. Apple it’s still recovering from Gerard loss.
You can compare some of the gaming numbers in the slide with HUB data from their latest 7800X3D vs. 14900K @ Asus Baseline. See Cyberpunk, F1, Horizon. The HUB test has 14900K is paired with DDR5 7200 and 7800X3D with DDR5 6000, and I think the AMD slide has both CPUs @ DDR5 6000 and a different GPU.It seems like the 9950X will still be quite a bit slower than the X3D zen 4s for gaming. My guess is Zen 5 X3D will be later this year then.
Some of the metrics that are important for client are totally missing (7zip for example), the ones that are included WebXprt & Jetstream it’s 15% and 12% respectively. Also, why would they compare the 9950X v 7700X in the IPC chart? I’m willing to bet it does worse in 3rd party benchmarks than what AMD showed us tonight.The inclusion of the GB AES test is peculiar for sure but AMD previously has had some peculiar examples in their IPC chart and it still came out pretty much in line with SPEC. We'll have to wait and see how well it holds up with independent testing.
But Apple is increasing clock rates faster than AMD. AMD (and Intel) need to go for IPC because they can't get much frequency. Apple can still get frequency.The 16% IPC increase is a pretty good result. My biggest concern is that it took almost two years to achieve that.
If we take Apple, for comparison, M4 has 8 - 12% better IPC than M1 (in SPEC17 and GeekBench 6 without SME). Yes, during the last 4 years, Apple has had a smaller IPC increase than AMD in 2 years. Most of the performance increase comes from higher clock speeds.
We have results for SPEC for Apple chips and OpenBenchmarking is a joke.Compared to a single competitor who hasn't even had any of those results actually validated outside of geekbench and software that is heavily optimized for apple compilers. Go look at the M2 on openbenchmark and see how well it performs even comapred to zen 2. https://openbenchmarking.org/vs/Processor/Apple+M2,AMD+Ryzen+7+4800U