Tesla Cybertruck

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Kaido

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Not driving enormous trucks everywhere when you don't need them would help your road safety a lot!

Now I'm curious about giant ICE truck veritcally-flat grills vs. the Cybertruck's sharp, angled nose, as far as pedestrian safety goes: whole-body blunt force trauma (see first image below for the ridiculous size of the grills on modern large trucks) for vs. getting Darth Maul'd in half from the Cybertruck's stainless-steel front-end in the event of an accident.

A Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD (pretty popular truck in my area) sold more than 500,000 units last year & weighs just as much as a Cybertruck. The F-150 is a big vehicle as well, but F-250's are popular commuter vehicles where I live as well.



That's more than a million new trucks in America across brands on the road every year that all have giant walls ready to slam into people, as opposed to standard-sized bumpers with soft, curved noses to help curb pedestrian deaths & injuries. It's an ego-stroking situation:



My buddy's F-250 has like, a luxury interior compared to my car lol...nice, soft brown leather, huge touchscreen, etc. It's his "family van" that he drives his kids around everywhere in as their grocery-getter:

 

sdifox

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Well the front grills of the pickups are plastic to soften the impact a bit.
 

Greenman

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I have to wonder how much the shape matters in a 30mph impact. That said, it seems to me that a large flat area would actually do less damage as the impact forces are spread over a larger area. Though that doesn't take into account the various bits of plastic and metal penetrating your body.
 

WelshBloke

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I have to wonder how much the shape matters in a 30mph impact. That said, it seems to me that a large flat area would actually do less damage as the impact forces are spread over a larger area. Though that doesn't take into account the various bits of plastic and metal penetrating your body.
You're likely to bounce off the front of a big pickup then straight under it, in a smaller, lower car the idea is that you go over the bonnet (which deforms, absorbing energy from the impact).
So with a pickup you absorb all the energy from the impact then get run over. Smaller car, the impact energy is dissipated in the act of rolling over the bonnet and you end up not getting run over.

Also this is skipping the whole "can't see shit directly in front of your bonnet" thing that a pickup has going on.
 

Greenman

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You're likely to bounce off the front of a big pickup then straight under it, in a smaller, lower car the idea is that you go over the bonnet (which deforms, absorbing energy from the impact).
So with a pickup you absorb all the energy from the impact then get run over. Smaller car, the impact energy is dissipated in the act of rolling over the bonnet and you end up not getting run over.

Also this is skipping the whole "can't see shit directly in front of your bonnet" thing that a pickup has going on.
I've been driving pickups since 1972 and it never occurred to me that there was a visibility issue. I still don't have a problem with it.
I had a 65 Econoline van at one point and if I leaned forward while driving I could see the front bumper, it never seemed like any kind of benefit to me.
 

WelshBloke

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I've been driving pickups since 1972 and it never occurred to me that there was a visibility issue. I still don't have a problem with it.
I had a 65 Econoline van at one point and if I leaned forward while driving I could see the front bumper, it never seemed like any kind of benefit to me.
In traffic and a short person (hell you probably wouldn't have to be that short with some of the lifted trucks) walks past the front of your truck? (Maybe not yours specifically)
But either way what about the rest of my post?
 
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Greenman

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In traffic and a short person (hell you probably wouldn't have to be that short with some of the lifted trucks) walks past the front of your truck? (Maybe not yours specifically)
But either way what about the rest of my post?
The rest certainly has logic to it. Though it seems like most impacts would be on the side of the person hit, then we get into how much a body can fold sideways. I'd bet this has been studied at one time or another, I may have to look for it.
 
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I've been driving pickups since 1972 and it never occurred to me that there was a visibility issue. I still don't have a problem with it.
To start, older pickups didn't have the monster hoods you see today. However, many people don't realize there is a visibility issue today. They wash that idea away by thinking that seeing farther is fine. Meanwhile, front blind spots are huge.
 

Kaido

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Well the front grills of the pickups are plastic to soften the impact a bit.

Did you see the guy other day who was literally slicing fruit on the Cybertruck's sharp edges the other day? That's bonkers lol.
 

WelshBloke

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Did you see the guy other day who was literally slicing fruit on the Cybertruck's sharp edges the other day? That's bonkers lol.
There was a guy that sliced his arm open inspecting his Cybertruck after delivery.
It was pretty gory considering he just caught his arm on a bit of the bodywork!
 

manly

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Someone on Youtube should do a comparison between big-truck grills & the Cybertruck with pedestrian dummies. I'd also like to see how those dummy bodies would fare against say a Corvette C8's front bumper:
Who cares? Even if that study came back as especially damning to the CT, you would still want one. Are you seriously wondering whether multi-ton vehicles with poor frontal visibility are hazardous to pedestrians?

The feds have mandated AEB by the end of the decade, better late than never:

 
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sdifox

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I guess Elon studied ninjutsu. Calls the wiper katana so you would ignore the hidden blades that look like body panels.
 
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Kaido

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No argument from me. Pontiac Aztek was at least practical.

I don't see the Cybertruck as a "practical" truck. It's essentially a 5-seat SUV, just with a battery & a metallic triangle design & a high price tag. A trucklet!

I saw an old Ridgeline the other day & was struck by how similar the design is. From the earlier video in the thread, the lady tried to get her purse out of the bed & couldn't reach over the sides of the Cybertruck & had to pop the bed down & crawl inside to get it. With a regular truck, you get flat sides & a camper shell. With an SUV like a Forester, you can an entire covered trunk, like a built-in camper shell. With the Cybertruck, you get that bread-cupboard roller trunk cover thing that comes down at an angle, so you only get 1/2 the storage compared to a camper or SUV, so you can toss stuff in & cover it, but your space is limited & you have to climb in to get stuff if you can't easily reach it over the sloped sides.

As I've talked to people who have pre-ordered or gotten Cybertrucks, it seems like they fall into one of the following categories:

1. People who want an attention-garnering vehicle, like a Ferrari. The Cybertruck gets more attention right now than supercars do.
2. People who like weird designs (like me!)
3. People who want an electric trucklet (not a "working" truck with an 8-foot bed). This is a fancy family wagon, essentially. 5 seats. Extra storage in the bed. People-hauler.
4. People who want a longer-range electric vehicle with a bed that isn't a Rivian, F-150 Lightning, Silverado EV, or Electric Hummer.
5. People who are Tesla fanboys.
6. People who simply like it because they like it. My buddy who just got his Foundation series has never had a Tesla before; it simply appealed to him & he had the budget for it. It's his family hauler instead of a minivan, as he only needs 5 seats. He's not a Cyber-nut or an Elon fanboy, he just thought it was cool & got one. Fits the kid's soccer stuff in the back. Something different.

I think a lot of the online judgement has to do with outcome use-case scenarios: what's the purchaser's intentions for it? A lot of people seem to get pretty myopic about the design or whether it not it fits some idea of "practicality" in their head & then apply that judgement to other people's purposes for it. At the end of the day, it's just a funky-looking car with a battery instead of a gas engine.
 
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sdifox

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I don't see the Cybertruck as a "practical" truck. It's essentially a 5-seat SUV, just with a battery & a metallic triangle design & a high price tag. A trucklet!

I saw an old Ridgeline the other day & was struck by how similar the design is. From the earlier video in the thread, the lady tried to get her purse out of the bed & couldn't reach over the sides of the Cybertruck & had to pop the bed down & crawl inside to get it. With a regular truck, you get flat sides & a camper shell. With an SUV like a Forester, you can an entire covered trunk, like a built-in camper shell. With the Cybertruck, you get that bread-cupboard roller trunk cover thing that comes down at an angle, so you only get 1/2 the storage compared to a camper or SUV, so you can toss stuff in & cover it, but your space is limited & you have to climb in to get stuff if you can't easily reach it over the sloped sides.

As I've talked to people who have pre-ordered or gotten Cybertrucks, it seems like they fall into one of the following categories:

1. People who want an attention-garnering vehicle, like a Ferrari. The Cybertruck gets more attention right now than supercars do.
2. People who like weird designs (like me!)
3. People who want an electric trucklet (not a "working" truck with an 8-foot bed). This is a fancy family wagon, essentially. 5 seats. Extra storage in the bed. People-hauler.
4. People who want a longer-range electric vehicle with a bed that isn't a Rivian, F-150 Lightning, Silverado EV, or Electric Hummer.
5. People who are Tesla fanboys.
6. People who simply like it because they like it. My buddy who just got his Foundation series has never had a Tesla before; it simply appealed to him & he had the budget for it. It's his family hauler instead of a minivan, as he only needs 5 seats. He's not a Cyber-nut or an Elon fanboy, he just thought it was cool & got one. Fits the kid's soccer stuff in the back. Something different.

I think a lot of the online judgement has to do with outcome use-case scenarios: what's the purchaser's intentions for it? A lot of people seem to get pretty myopic about the design or whether it not it fits some idea of "practicality" in their head & then apply that judgement to other people's purposes for it. At the end of the day, it's just a funky-looking car with a battery instead of a gas engine.
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you either go practical or go special purpose. CT doesn't do either.
 
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Kaido

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you either go practical or go special purpose. CT doesn't do either.

Third option: just use it as a car!

This is where outcome-driven preference comes into play & where people get tunnel-vision about the usage & desires for a particular vehicle because they refuse to see beyond what their emotions dictate (which makes for great advertising the Cybertruck because of all the free publicity, haha!). For my purposes:

1. I was SHOCKED at how ugly it was upon the initial reveal, right back in the very first page of this thread lol. But, it grew on me haha. I wish it still had the same aesthetic as the pre-production model, however.

2. I like weird cars. Had a Beetle, a green first-gen Kia Soul, 4-cylinder Mustang, etc. The Cybertruck is about as strange as they come! Then again, there's a dude in my town who drives around a Unimog (and it's awesome, lol).

3. I appreciate the fact that the Cybertruck is weird & different. I like stand-out designs. I do not, however, like public attention (yay anxiety!). I don't know if I could handle the attention tbh.

4. For me, it would be my commuter car. I work in freelance IT & on-call, so I drive all over the state & can charge for free at several customer locations, so that would reduce or remove my fuel costs. Coupled with the battery, stainless body, etc., I also like the long-term story of the vehicle over time, especially cost-wise. However, the pricing economics don't work out at $100k minimum right now. I liked the appeal of both the mythical $39k model (hah) & the larger 500-mile battery (which would eliminate ALL of my range anxiety!). Neither exist, however.

5. Personally, I really like the bed design, as it's bigger than my Ford has currently, so I could fit more tools & supplies in the back. I don't work in construction anymore & don't need an 8-foot bed, which is a common argument on the Internet (FWIW, I don't know anyone personally who owns an 8-foot-bed truck for home use). With the type of work I do (computers, servers, etc.), I don't even need a standard-size truck bed like the F-150 has, so that's a non-issue for my purposes. Plus turnkey storage slider systems are in the works already:




People tend to to act:

1. As if giant, flashy cars don't already exist. Remember how much flack the "gas-guzzling" consumer version of the Hummer got?



Or the giant-at-the-time Ford Excursion?



2. As if big trucks don't already exist. Ford, GM, etc. ship over a MILLION trucks per year that weigh more & are physically larger than the Cybertruck. Ford sold 700,000 pickups last year, whereas the Cybertruck has shipped around 4,000.

3. As if large vehicles don't already exist on the road. Current data shows that we have nearly 2 million semi-trucks on the road today & more than 8 million trucks on the road every day between trailers, box trucks, dump trucks, fuel & oil trucks, etc.

Yet people online get so wound up & offended over a different design. Nobody is all up in arms about the F-150 Lightning, Silverado EV, Rivian truck, Hummer EV, etc. Elon Musk is a divisive public figure who released a controversial vehicle design. So it's a metal triangle with a battery in it....and yet people get personally offended by it to the point where they feel the need to tell other people how to spend their money lol.

It's just a car. I think it's pretty neat! I love the marketing aspect of it too...they made it so non-standard that people can't HELP but talk about it. It's the most-talked-about vehicle I've seen probably ever. I just wish they had hit their aesthetic design, cost, and battery targets better. I will be sticking with gas for the foreseeable future LOL.
 
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