Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Brovane

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I believe the 500k are dead folk. Using a 2:1 ratio for Russian forces, its another million injured and disabled.

I wonder if Russia tries to cut down on the injured and disabled by having poor medical care for it's soldiers. Better that the Russian solider dies from his wounds than extensive and expensive life saving treatments be done and then that person is on disability for the rest of their life.
 

K1052

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I wonder if Russia tries to cut down on the injured and disabled by having poor medical care for it's soldiers. Better that the Russian solider dies from his wounds than extensive and expensive life saving treatments be done and then that person is on disability for the rest of their life.

Dead soldiers are cheaper if you just list them as missing. Also the Russian medical evacuation situation leaves much to be desired.

Lot of reports of returned vets not being able to access their benefits also probably because the state doesn't want to pay out.
 

Drach

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I know Ukraine is getting the old rockets.

But the new GMLRS rockets are costing about $168,000 according to a no effort internet search. There is at least 50 bodies there.

It seems individual Russian's are valued at about $3500 each to kill.


The whole situation is just sad.
I absolutely approve of any dollar amount to kill the invaders.
 

gorobei

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Jan 7, 2007
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Looks like tungsten rain.
from artist formerly known as LLM
Tungsten Rain

(Verse 1)I never meant to cause you any sorrow
I never meant to cause you any pain
I only wanted to see you DPICM
I only wanted to see you in the tungsten rain

(Chorus)Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
I only wanted to see you in the tungsten rain

(Verse 2)I never wanted to be your enemy
I only wanted to be your friend
But baby, I can never fly DPICM
In a world without tungsten rain to send

(Chorus)Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
I only wanted to see you in the tungsten rain

(Bridge)Honey, I know, I know
I know times are changing
It's time we all reach out for something new
That means you too

(Verse 3)You say you want cluster munitions
But you can't seem to make up your mind
I think you better close them eyes
And let me guide you to the tungsten rain this time

(Chorus)Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
Tungsten rain, tungsten rain
I only want to see you, only want to see you
In the tungsten rain
 
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zinfamous

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ugh, I can't make light of that. I mean...this stuff is tough to watch, but very important. In some ways, there is a lot that should be informatively sobering about this: the utter horror of being brought to war and what it ultimately means for anyone, and I mean...damn--just like how quickly those guys probably got wiped out. the NPC just looked like cloth roof with all of the rounds going through that thing. Those dudes just died sitting in a carnival ride, guess taking MLRS rounds all down their convoy? (is that the supply convoy that K1052 posted about earlier, getting smoked? fucking rough....). Those guys didn't stand a chance. And we also see capability on display to the enemy and their people back home: look at what shit your mother Russia sends their boys out in--look at how little they care about your sons.

I don't watch the shit you guys watch, tbh. this is a bit of a first for me.


but then, reading all the news how so much of the enlisting over there is focusing on visiting workers, volunteers from various extra-Russia "oblasts" (the -stans, Mali, Senegalese, the usual "proud" red army young Chinese fellow, also sort of working out the "bad graces of Xi," doing his time serving their good friends over in the economic and modern-cultural sisterland, study-abroad students catching a public nuisance complaint, etc), ...so I wonder if it really matters to the ave "native Russian?" how many of "them" do they actually perceive to be dying right now, because maybe the public speak is that they just expect "mercenaries" fighting for this territory? After those first two waves, I mean. Basically: I wonder if the death message even gets to them at this point in the war, because all of theirs that will have died, were taken out during the first phase of the invasion?
 

Jaskalas

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how many of "them" do they actually perceive to be dying right now, because maybe the public speak is that they just expect "mercenaries" fighting for this territory? After those first two waves, I mean. Basically: I wonder if the death message even gets to them at this point in the war, because all of theirs that will have died, were taken out during the first phase of the invasion?
I vote we detonate a few of those over city centers, every day that Russia does not surrender.
Every. Single. Day.

This is not about revenge or horror. Though it is that. No, this is Putin's desire for blood. And our duty to deliver it until the Russians have had their fill. They choose this path, all we can do is choose if those are our bodies, or theirs. Make it theirs. Make it hurt until Russia stops wanting this.
 
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Leeea

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Those dudes just died sitting in a carnival ride, guess taking MLRS rounds all down their convoy?
Just 1 round. The shock wave from the blast probably took out their hearing, they likely never heard it. Just a ringing sound.

Good number were able to make it out of the back of the truck only to die on the pavement behind. Probably lost mobility after about 30 seconds or so.

Then about 1 to 5 minutes for the internal bleeding to kill them all.


Bad way to go. Not that there are any good ways in war.
 
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Leeea

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yes, good point. I have no way to estimate that or what it looks like; also didn't bother to read that post further--was it just an image? maybe I skipped out on some words. ';d
it was a video, but only of the aftermath. It showed the patterning of the tungsten balls through the vehicles and where the people were sitting. They had no chance.

One moment they were sitting there, the next they were dying from being perforated in many locations simultaneously. The blast wave likely was not particularly healthy either.
 

cytg111

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There are still living Russians.
We must make more.
Ill just say that these are most likely fresh baked conscripts with 14 days of basic training under their belt and with no desire to participate in The Vlad's theatre of death and destruction. Just regular lads free of any inherent sin. Dead by Putin. Let's understand why it's necessary, but to celebrate these kids... Nah
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Dec 15, 2015
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ugh, I can't make light of that. I mean...this stuff is tough to watch, but very important. In some ways, there is a lot that should be informatively sobering about this: the utter horror of being brought to war and what it ultimately means for anyone, and I mean...damn--just like how quickly those guys probably got wiped out. the NPC just looked like cloth roof with all of the rounds going through that thing. Those dudes just died sitting in a carnival ride, guess taking MLRS rounds all down their convoy? (is that the supply convoy that K1052 posted about earlier, getting smoked? fucking rough....). Those guys didn't stand a chance. And we also see capability on display to the enemy and their people back home: look at what shit your mother Russia sends their boys out in--look at how little they care about your sons.

I don't watch the shit you guys watch, tbh. this is a bit of a first for me.


but then, reading all the news how so much of the enlisting over there is focusing on visiting workers, volunteers from various extra-Russia "oblasts" (the -stans, Mali, Senegalese, the usual "proud" red army young Chinese fellow, also sort of working out the "bad graces of Xi," doing his time serving their good friends over in the economic and modern-cultural sisterland, study-abroad students catching a public nuisance complaint, etc), ...so I wonder if it really matters to the ave "native Russian?" how many of "them" do they actually perceive to be dying right now, because maybe the public speak is that they just expect "mercenaries" fighting for this territory? After those first two waves, I mean. Basically: I wonder if the death message even gets to them at this point in the war, because all of theirs that will have died, were taken out during the first phase of the invasion?
I know it's hard, but in the end this is the essence of war. Putting bits of metal into the people your enemy sends at you (or burning them, or blowing them apart, or smashing their insides with concussive force) until they stop sending them or you push them back to an established DMZ. Every war in history has boiled down to that.
 
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zinfamous

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I know it's hard, but in the end this is the essence of war. Putting bits of metal into the people your enemy sends at you (or burning them, or blowing them apart, or smashing their insides with concussive force) until they stop sending them or you push them back to an established DMZ. Every war in history has boiled down to that.

Oh I agree.

I still advocate for banning propelled armaments everywhere and get back to sword and board, hammers, spear-tossing, and maybe as advanced as crossbows for all warfare.

Let's see how quickly the modern human can stomach this, the way information works today, and how quickly (if at all) war becomes an anachronistic term.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Oh I agree.

I still advocate for banning propelled armaments everywhere and get back to sword and board, hammers, spear-tossing, and maybe as advanced as crossbows for all warfare.

Let's see how quickly the modern human can stomach this, the way information works today, and how quickly (if at all) war becomes an anachronistic term.
Lol, we'll just find ways to advance that. You'll see power armor and chainswords within weeks.
 
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fskimospy

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Oh I agree.

I still advocate for banning propelled armaments everywhere and get back to sword and board, hammers, spear-tossing, and maybe as advanced as crossbows for all warfare.

Let's see how quickly the modern human can stomach this, the way information works today, and how quickly (if at all) war becomes an anachronistic term.
The problem with banning all propelled armaments is when someone like Russia says ‘nah, I’d rather not’.
 

kage69

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Jul 17, 2003
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it was a video, but only of the aftermath. It showed the patterning of the tungsten balls through the vehicles and where the people were sitting. They had no chance.

One moment they were sitting there, the next they were dying from being perforated in many locations simultaneously. The blast wave likely was not particularly healthy either.

It's actually worse than balls. Think tetris pieces, frag that is asymmetrical with edges, right angles. When that stuff hits soft targets the damage is just horrendous. You catch just one of those most places center mass or thigh and you're a goner, really bad wound channel (yeah, setting aside the pulverizing over pressure of a large bomb detonating just above you).

Precision air burst munitions, scary stuff.
 
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zinfamous

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Lol, we'll just find ways to advance that. You'll see power armor and chainswords within weeks.
I'm cool with this?

Chainsaw fighting? fire guitars? shit like that?



I mean, sure they still had guns and explosives here, but it was definitely way more intimate. Let's do it this way! (I guess the point being: we continue on our current path, we inevitably end up here....)
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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The problem with banning all propelled armaments is when someone like Russia says ‘nah, I’d rather not’.

OK how about this: we all collectively agree to decimate/nuke if have to the true baddies of the world, eliminate their capabilities as well as all knowledge from the world of designing such, reset...see where we got. This is a thought experiment, so let's exist in the world of the experiment, OK?

Your point that there will always be escalation. There will always be bad actors that choose the path of most destruction. Yes....but what I'm really looking at here is something that we've never had in human history: the technology and tactics of ancient warfare, mixed with modern information systems, universal literacy, and more secular and rational world. ....my consideration here is that when modern humans are faced with the daily facts on the ground of the utter butchery, inhumanity, and completely insane reality of ancient warfare, it maybe, might, perhaps, set us along a path not of inevitable escalation, but considerably more diplomacy and humanity. Remember: there also weren't real, non-militaristic democracies in these times, as well. (you can look at ancient Greece, but the majority of those city states were highly militaristic, seasonal warrior-citizens. say what you will about the US today, but are nothing like that)
 
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