China is cracking down HARD on Islam

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dphantom

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Claiming the left is inarticulate is... highly ironic. After all, your hero is a President that regularly relies on crass language, childish insults and near-constant lying.
Then it appears you have modeled yourself after him.
 

dphantom

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"other believers" like dphantom who is against religious freedom to hold any other belief than his?

I'd say that the majority of "believers" care so much that they happily suppress others rights in the name of God if they ever get a chance. As evidence I give you all of history up until and including today.
People can believe anything they want. I fond it of interest that an atheist country is suppressing Islamic terrorists who are attempting to suppress anyone not in agreement with their version of Islam. Suppressors suppressing the suppressors.

Perhaps you could direct your anger in a more constructive way and that is the fight against Islamic terrorism rather than worrying about peaceful Christians.
 

J.Wilkins

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Then it appears you have modeled yourself after him.

Son, just shut the fuck up. You are arguing for only your religion to be the tolerated one by government.

You are arguing against freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to congregate or express your opinions and beliefs.

The only question is what you think the punishment should be for daring to have religious beliefs that differs from yours? That you want to ban others beliefs is already an expressed opinion you have made so this is the only question left... Are you are Puritan kind of guy who wants to oppress others by by hanging them or burning them alive like the Mayflower Crew or are you more of a... Wait, ISIS is doing the exact same thing so that isn't any different... Are you more of a Martin Luther kind of guy who just... wait... I mean are you more of a ... I can't find any examples of people like you not wanting to burn, hang and crucify people...
 

J.Wilkins

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People can believe anything they want. I fond it of interest that an atheist country is suppressing Islamic terrorists who are attempting to suppress anyone not in agreement with their version of Islam. Suppressors suppressing the suppressors.

Perhaps you could direct your anger in a more constructive way and that is the fight against Islamic terrorism rather than worrying about peaceful Christians.

No, you imbecile, you were happy that they wanted to oppress Muslims because you hate Muslims. Don't try to act as if this has anything to do with Islamic Terrorism when those words were never even close to uttered at all.
 
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People can believe anything they want. I fond it of interest that an atheist country is suppressing Islamic terrorists who are attempting to suppress anyone not in agreement with their version of Islam. Suppressors suppressing the suppressors.

That's not what is happening though. It's about fighting ethnic separatists and attacking their religion is just one tool that the Chinese govt. is using to fight them.
 

dphantom

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Son, just shut the fuck up. You are arguing for only your religion to be the tolerated one by government.

You are arguing against freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to congregate or express your opinions and beliefs.

The only question is what you think the punishment should be for daring to have religious beliefs that differs from yours? That you want to ban others beliefs is already an expressed opinion you have made so this is the only question left... Are you are Puritan kind of guy who wants to oppress others by by hanging them or burning them alive like the Mayflower Crew or are you more of a... Wait, ISIS is doing the exact same thing so that isn't any different... Are you more of a Martin Luther kind of guy who just... wait... I mean are you more of a ... I can't find any examples of people like you not wanting to burn, hang and crucify people...
So let's see here:

Leftists who are challenged resort to anger and insult.
Leftists call for the suppression of anothers speech because it angers them
Leftists make inaccurate assumptions about others because the others speech angers them
Leftists who find any believer standing up for their beliefs become angered and raise many strawman arguments

Religious belief is inherent in the human life. Their can only be one true religion but tolerance for all beliefs is inherent in Christianity.

You should not feel so threatened by those such as I. We are makers of peace. The ones you should be concerned about are those who would behead you for espousing such opinions as those above.
 

J.Wilkins

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So let's see here:

Leftists who are challenged resort to anger and insult.
Leftists call for the suppression of anothers speech because it angers them
Leftists make inaccurate assumptions about others because the others speech angers them
Leftists who find any believer standing up for their beliefs become angered and raise many strawman arguments

Religious belief is inherent in the human life. Their can only be one true religion but tolerance for all beliefs is inherent in Christianity.

You should not feel so threatened by those such as I. We are makers of peace. The ones you should be concerned about are those who would behead you for espousing such opinions as those above.

What the fuck are you talking about? First of all, apparently by American measures I'm a Conservaterrorist and accoding to some a Nazi sympathiser.

Second, your post about how it was good that they were cracking down hard on Islam and banning the Koran was "good" which goes directly against your idea of tolerance for all beliefs.

So either you are not a Christian or the version of Christianity you represent doesn't actually teach tolerance against others beliefs. Which one is it?

If you are willing to say you made a mistake, that's the end of it but this incessant string of bullshit just makes you look like a dishonest clown.
 

DigDog

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when you say leftist you imply "only leftists" but everything you criticized about leftists there can be applied to right-ists as well. You have not yet advanced to the point where you spot the fallacies in your own arguments, which is not good.

religious belief - the need for answers in an otherwise mysterious life - is inherent in all humans. you can have that, if you accept to be treated as nothing more than a human; we will limit your rights to food, water, sex, and the occasional walk in the park.
if you want to vote or hold office, or make ANY sort of decision, you need to be able to tell the difference between the law of thermodynamics and the law of salomon.
 

Commodus

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Then it appears you have modeled yourself after him.

Really? You just used an "I know what you are, but what am I" retort? How about actually using evidence, logic... you know, actually showing some substance.

Also, it's notable that you didn't try to defend Trump's habitual lying and immaturity, and yet his policies represent a wet dream for you. Ever stop to think that Islamophobia might be a bad idea if it attracts people as deceitful, ignorant and incompetent as Trump?
 
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dphantom

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What the fuck are you talking about? First of all, apparently by American measures I'm a Conservaterrorist and accoding to some a Nazi sympathiser.

Second, your post about how it was good that they were cracking down hard on Islam and banning the Koran was "good" which goes directly against your idea of tolerance for all beliefs.

So either you are not a Christian or the version of Christianity you represent doesn't actually teach tolerance against others beliefs. Which one is it?

If you are willing to say you made a mistake, that's the end of it but this incessant string of bullshit just makes you look like a dishonest clown.
You may want to reread my first post. It is number 25. You are making a number of assumptions about what I meant. So as a typical leftist, instead of engaging in an intelligent discourse, you immediately jump to conclusions via a series of assumptions that reflect your own belief system about others.

Of course I am making an assumption you are a leftist. Perhaps to dispel that assumption, you would care to outline your belief system.

As for China to get back to the origin of the OP, I doubt they will be successful as suppression of religion will most likely make a more radical environment ripe for peaceful muslims to turn a blind eye t if not outright support for the Islamic terrorists in that province.
 

Grooveriding

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Doesn't China suppress all religion in general? Really a good thing to do, but they go about it the wrong way. Suppression is not nearly as good an antidote to religion as education is.
 

DigDog

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Doesn't China suppress all religion in general?
No. they have freedom of religion, in china. Except when they don't. Technically, they can be whatever religion they want, but the state isn't religious (on paper it's just like the US) and in practice they do not tolerate any religion which in any way resembles a structured organization, or could in any way be considered by its practitioners as more important than the state. Not trying to imply that chinese people actually respect the state, but the state think so. So, whenever something like that happens, i.e. a religion becomes too popular or too fervent or too widespread (like Falun Gong), then the government will make up some technically-right bullshit and defacto make it illegal.
 

DigDog

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Didnt realize this thread was from 2017 when i still cared.

It's funny because China wants to be a Benevolent Dictator state, but does not have the technology or the culture to do it - yeah yeah they are putting cameras everywhere and they have the Social Credit Score thingie but they are still awash with corruption and incompetence.

Frankly i am bigly on the fence when it comes to religious rights; because, well, you all already have religious rights. There is literally no way to get inside your head and stop you from being convinced that the invisible man in the sky doesn't exist.
What china is afraid of is organized religion; by organized i mean capable of being a political adversary to the government. And i'm kinda cool with that. Again, when the government is authoritarian, corrupt and incompetent, there's no way that whatever ideology they have will have good results, but their heart is in the right place, so to speak.

Now, here Mr ChatGPT is obviously trawling for any post where they can spread pro-Islam propaganda, which goes to show how everyone is playing the same game, as much as they can. Frankly my distrust for Islam is .. not too far off from my distrust of ANY religion, just like i don't like propaganda from any group, regardless of what cultural image they sell. Example? I don't like Israel massacring Palestinians; i don't like Israel in general trying to manipulate everyone, but i wouldn't want unrestricted Palestinian immigration either - i only just barely like myself, and at most tolerate those who are really, really similar in culture to ME, much less someone who is of a completely different culture, that actually believes in religion, and that religion isn't even mine.
 

Stokely

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I agree with most of that. I grew up Evangelical, have attended services and schools from other religions as well, including a two-year stint in Catholic school (which I actually really enjoyed).

The older I get, the more toward "atheist" I travel, in fact I think my journey has ended. Live and let live when it comes to others and their beliefs, as long as they practice the same. Most of them do not do so. They are compelled to spread their beliefs to others and impose their morals on everyone--quite often excluding themselves of course--because how else can their churches make money--er, how else can they "save" all the poor misguided ignorant souls out there?

As far as China goes....yeah, more about threats to big daddy govt than giving a shit about spirituality. They'd crack down on anything else that involved passionate people getting together for a cause.
 

nexus5rocks

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ITT, people that have zero understanding and knowledge of China because they rely on Western mainstream propaganda as their source for China news.
 
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sdifox

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LoL they have party office in every single religious temple. They praise the party before doing their own prayers/chants. And these are videos leaked from PRC, filmed by locals.
 

nexus5rocks

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LoL they have party office in every single religious temple. They praise the party before doing their own prayers/chants. And these are videos leaked from PRC, filmed by locals.
if you knew anything about christian churches in china, you would know that the locals adhere to different regulations than foreigners who worship freely.
 

zinfamous

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ChatGPT-4 has entered the room.
What's happening is that the Sino-Russo bots are really just scouring the internet for bullet-point devisive topics. They find old threads form forums like this, they know the conversation will get animated and draw out sides, yet again, and they just keep poking the bear.

It's all part of the same strategy that's being recycled again and again...certainly from, I wanna say, 200304ish on, but very visible during the post-Recession rightwing movements seen throughout the world, c. 2015 until this day.

The plan is dividing the worlds democracies by destabilizing the public order as much as possible. You used to have these clowns show up at public houses and meetings to do the same sort of thing--the internet and discussion groups has really made their jobs easier, cheaper, and vastly more effective because not only is all of this so easily accessible, but as time goes on, more and more of us are willing to just dismiss the hard-won skills of critical thinking and hand our brains over to what the unwashed and unread masses of the internet are saying, so long as it confirms all the biases we already hold. It's one thing to watch a couple of idiots preach about a dumb thing on the street corner; but thousands of idiots saying the dumb shit on the internet? well, that's so many people! It must be true!
 

sdifox

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if you knew anything about christian churches in china, you would know that the locals adhere to different regulations than foreigners who worship freely.
I am Taiwanese. I think I am a bit more aware of PRC than youtubers.
 
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cytg111

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What's happening is that the Sino-Russo bots are really just scouring the internet for bullet-point devisive topics. They find old threads form forums like this, they know the conversation will get animated and draw out sides, yet again, and they just keep poking the bear.

It's all part of the same strategy that's being recycled again and again...certainly from, I wanna say, 200304ish on, but very visible during the post-Recession rightwing movements seen throughout the world, c. 2015 until this day.

The plan is dividing the worlds democracies by destabilizing the public order as much as possible. You used to have these clowns show up at public houses and meetings to do the same sort of thing--the internet and discussion groups has really made their jobs easier, cheaper, and vastly more effective because not only is all of this so easily accessible, but as time goes on, more and more of us are willing to just dismiss the hard-won skills of critical thinking and hand our brains over to what the unwashed and unread masses of the internet are saying, so long as it confirms all the biases we already hold. It's one thing to watch a couple of idiots preach about a dumb thing on the street corner; but thousands of idiots saying the dumb shit on the internet? well, that's so many people! It must be true!
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