P&Ns middle name is and

Page 2000 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,802
29,553
146
The air force is very weak? As the only country with a 5th Gen Air superiority fighter???
The navy is weak with what 9 super carriers that dwarf everyone else's carriers?
Admittedly China does have more ships numerically and that is a concern for the USN.

What kind of clowns came up with this?

fear-mongering quislings that are financed by the Kremlin.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
27,911
38,269
136
Well, that's the rub - the EU, the UK, the US (and _obviously_ Russia) all have utterly dysfunctional systems that barely merit the descriptor 'democratic' (in Russia's case, it doesn't merit it at all). Be hard put to get a cigarette paper between the first three in that regard. They're all crap and intended to minimise the influence of ordinary people. There's a lot more cant and propaganda around the US one, though, just because it's written in very flowery language.

Well we had good English teachers.

I would argue what London has is unique and represents a special kind of dysfunction, the kind you get when you have a democracy forced to accommodate both a monarchy and the CoE. Neither the EU nor the States have an analog to that... situation.

Total agreement over the goal of mitigating the influence of ordinary people though. Repugs have been pushing their own 'elector class' for some time. They don't want participants in democracy. They want consumers who know their place and leave the decisions to the wealthy business and religious interests. It's why we have so much gerrymandering and voter suppression from the right.
 
Last edited:
Reactions: Pohemi and hal2kilo

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,260
8,192
136
Well we had good English teachers.

I would argue what London has is unique and represents a special kind of dysfunction, the kind you get when you have a democracy forced to accommodate both a monarchy and the CoE. Neither the EU nor the States have an analog to that... situation.

Strange thing about having an established church. It is on one level, completely absurd, and perpetually annoying.

We even have places in the legislature guaranteed for representatives of the church. Don't know if it's changed (as they've since introduced the 'national curriculum) but when I was at school religious education was the _only_ subject all schools were legally compelled to teach.

One third of state schools are religious ones, that are allowed to discriminate with regard to both pupil admission and teacher's employment on the basis of religious purity. It is utterly absurd.

Yet at the same time it seems to go hand-in-hand with an absence of religious fervour in the population (I remember an old TV sitcom joke where someone says "I'm not religious, I'm C of E"). While the US situation seems to be the exact reverse - scrupulous attention to keeping any hint of religion out of the state, accompanied by ever-growing political power for those of the 'right' religion.

Go figure.

The monarchy is equally ridiculous, but I don't think it's a lot worse than the power of the Supreme Court in the US, and at least we don't have to constantly try and divine the wishes and beliefs of elite people who are long dead in order to decide what to do about every new issue that comes up - something that seems to be a fundamental part of the US system.
At least our over-venerated self-serving racists are still breathing.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
46,226
9,286
146
Strange thing about having an established church. It is on one level, completely absurd, and perpetually annoying.

We even have places in the legislature guaranteed for representatives of the church. Don't know if it's changed (as they've since introduced the 'national curriculum) but when I was at school religious education was the _only_ subject all schools were legally compelled to teach.

One third of state schools are religious ones, that are allowed to discriminate with regard to both pupil admission and teacher's employment on the basis of religious purity. It is utterly absurd.

Yet at the same time it seems to go hand-in-hand with an absence of religious fervour in the population (I remember an old TV sitcom joke where someone says "I'm not religious, I'm C of E"). While the US situation seems to be the exact reverse - scrupulous attention to keeping any hint of religion out of the state, accompanied by ever-growing political power for those of the 'right' religion.

Go figure.

The monarchy is equally ridiculous, but I don't think it's a lot worse than the power of the Supreme Court in the US, and at least we don't have to constantly try and divine the wishes and beliefs of elite people who are long dead in order to decide what to do about every new issue that comes up - something that seems to be a fundamental part of the US system.
At least our over-venerated self-serving racists are still breathing.
I just LOVED everything you said in this post! 👍
 
Reactions: hal2kilo

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
27,911
38,269
136
Strange thing about having an established church. It is on one level, completely absurd, and perpetually annoying.

We even have places in the legislature guaranteed for representatives of the church. Don't know if it's changed (as they've since introduced the 'national curriculum) but when I was at school religious education was the _only_ subject all schools were legally compelled to teach.

One third of state schools are religious ones, that are allowed to discriminate with regard to both pupil admission and teacher's employment on the basis of religious purity. It is utterly absurd.

Yet at the same time it seems to go hand-in-hand with an absence of religious fervour in the population (I remember an old TV sitcom joke where someone says "I'm not religious, I'm C of E"). While the US situation seems to be the exact reverse - scrupulous attention to keeping any hint of religion out of the state, accompanied by ever-growing political power for those of the 'right' religion.

Go figure.

The monarchy is equally ridiculous, but I don't think it's a lot worse than the power of the Supreme Court in the US, and at least we don't have to constantly try and divine the wishes and beliefs of elite people who are long dead in order to decide what to do about every new issue that comes up - something that seems to be a fundamental part of the US system.
At least our over-venerated self-serving racists are still breathing.


Well there is a democratic element to the SCOTUS at least. They rely on nominations from election winners, then are confirmed by Senate vote. Quite a ways off from "position by birth," no? While I'm certainly no fan of SCOTUS right now, feels weird to suggest it's on par with the royal family. If you're talking power, what kind? The English monarchy knows a thing or two about power, just look at their bank holdings, look at their colonial track record. The English monarch, as Sovereign, is Head of the Armed Forces after all. Not much worse than SCOTUS? Tell that to India. Or Ireland.

SCOTUS has power of the gavel, but can't fund or enforce things. So, yeah...

We have a living Constitution actually, it's open for edits to adjust for the passage of time. The originalism you cite is only an affliction of those on the right. If such "divining" were fundamental, we wouldn't have Constitutional amendments, would we?

Also, I'd like to point out that unfortunately, Donald Trump the Felon, Rapist and Twice Impeached Russian asset is still indeed breathing. I know.



I should clarify. I have nothing but respect for the qualified women of the SCOTUS. Kagan, Sotomayor and Jackson.

 
Last edited:

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
13,260
8,192
136
Well there is a democratic element to the SCOTUS. They rely on nominations from election winners, then are confirmed by Senate vote. Quite a ways off from "position by birth," no?

Except that the system is so open to being 'gamed' that it really doesn't seem to function in a democratic way. That Senate itself is hardly democratic, insofar as 2/3 of it is elected by 1/3 of the electorate, and the (Presidential) election winners rarely seem to win a majority of the actual vote.

And, sure, "position from birth" is worse, but "appointment for life" is not _massively_ better. Especially not when the appointments are made for blatantly political reasons.

Your Constitution doesn't seem particularly alive to me - it took a civil war to get it to acknowledge black people as human, and the days of being able to amend it for anything of importance appear to be long gone, simply because the mechanism for doing so seems to have ceased to function, with the growing size, diversity, and polarisation of the population.

In no sense do I envy anything about the US system. On the contrary, it's the example of the US that makes me lukewarm about the occasional demands that the UK should get a 'written constitution'.

The EU seems to be replicating many of the US' mistakes. It's a difficult thing to weave together very diverse groups of people without "baking in" disastrous compromises.
 
Reactions: Pohemi and hal2kilo
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |