Question Building a gaming PC, all input and advice welcome

NS99 · Jun 8, 2024

Hey everyone, New to the forum, site looks pretty cool thanks for having me.

So the last PC I built was about 12 years ago. it is Gigabyte Z270-HD3 I5-7600 3.8 GHZ 4 cores GTX760 24 GB ram Not a bad pc for its time, still running strong but she is a little out dated for the gaming world, I honestly never did a lot of gaming with with it, but I want to get away from PS5 etc.

I'm in the early stages of building a new one, a lot has changes since I built my last one, so i'm just looking at everything and trying to get familiar with all the updated stuff. I'll probably stick with the same brand of components as they served me so well with my last build.

I'm not looking for the best highest end stuff,not a serious gamer but still want something decent.

First question is how high end of Motherboard do I need for the average gamer
I see some B760 and z790 boards in the $200-$300 range, is there any particular reason I should chose one over the other, I know a broad question but just looking for suggestions, Also is it a bad Idea to consider buying an open box motherboard, a lot of saving to be had if its good lol.

manly · Jun 8, 2024

Welcome!
Kaby Lake is not 12 years old. Brand loyalty is fine, but keep in mind a LOT changes in a decade. For one, AMD is an entirely different company after Ryzen dropped in 2017.
You'll usually get better value out of anything mid-range than "high-end," whether we're talking about a motherboard, CPU or GPU. This is especially true if you aren't certain you'll be a heavy PC gamer this time around. Buy what you need (you can "round up" a bit), within your budget. Stuff changes so quickly that it's easy to reevaluate in 3 years if you need a boost (i.e. a new graphics card).

I'll buy open box components sometimes, but typically only those marked in "excellent condition." Strangely enough, these are usually items that are barely opened (or even unopened), and that were never used. But a motherboard is the heart of a PC build, so I'd tend to shy away from ordering one open boxed. Unless it's an expensive board or insanely good deal, I don't think you'll save enough money.

3 final thoughts for now:

Zen 5 launches in a couple months, and CPUs will re-price soon
Use PCPartPicker to plan your build
If you're local to Micro Center, they have nice bundles for DIY system builders.

Tech Junky · Jun 8, 2024

AMD is where the value is since Intel went to requiring new boards every other launch with minor improvements. The 870 series boards will roll in some features like 40gbps USB vs needing to add a card. Depending on the price of the 9000 CPU it might be worthwhile to pair a 7900x with an 8 series board.

GPU preference is up to what you need and want though.

NS99 · Jun 8, 2024

manly said:
Welcome!
Kaby Lake is not 12 years old. Brand loyalty is fine, but keep in mind a LOT changes in a decade. For one, AMD is an entirely different company after Ryzen dropped in 2017.
You'll usually get better value out of anything mid-range than "high-end," whether we're talking about a motherboard, CPU or GPU. This is especially true if you aren't certain you'll be a heavy PC gamer this time around. Buy what you need (you can "round up" a bit), within your budget. Stuff changes so quickly that it's easy to reevaluate in 3 years if you need a boost (i.e. a new graphics card).

I'll buy open box components sometimes, but typically only those marked in "excellent condition." Strangely enough, these are usually items that are barely opened (or even unopened), and that were never used. But a motherboard is the heart of a PC build, so I'd tend to shy away from ordering one open boxed. Unless it's an expensive board or insanely good deal, I don't think you'll save enough money.

3 final thoughts for now:

Zen 5 launches in a couple months, and CPUs will re-price soon

Use PCPartPicker to plan your build

If you're local to Micro Center, they have nice bundles for DIY system builders.

Well now you have me thinking lol. I'm sure I bought that processor maybe even closer to 2010 then 2012, now I'll be routing for receipts all night lol

Not really brand loyal its just I had good luck with these parts, but if things has changed I have no issue in switching. I seen a recent yuotube vid comparing AMD to INTEL, the guy said the AMD seemed to have more glitches and was finickier then the intel, but they was also over clocking, running turbo this or that etc . he said running with all that off there was no issue. Have you guys seen any of those issues, I also take that vid with a grain of salt as I'm not going to be trying to get absolutely everything out of my PC

I should add I'm also from Canada everything up here is at least double the price as in the USA. thats why the open box thing is sometimes appealing. Newegg up here seem to have good buys now and again.

I did not no about Zen 5 thanks for that info, I assume there will be a price drop?

Thanks for the info

Tech Junky · Jun 8, 2024

NS99 said:
AMD seemed to have more glitches and was finickier then the intel

When am4 hit it was a new socket/chipset and there was some teething issues for some. Same will probably be true with am5. It comes with the territory though if you're on the bleeding edge or plan on running it for a decade.

Intel theses days either rehashes things like they have for 12-14 and charge a premium by releasing a new chipset to enable new features to be used aka buy a new board for $200+ in addition to the CPU cost.

NS99 said:
open box

That's what I did when I put together my current system as the board was knocked down to $160 because of the uefi bugs people couldn't figure out that they needed to check for and apply an update. It took me three different versions to get things smoothed out but, it's been flawless since. When I got the board it was still on the factory release and had been for sale for a year.

NS99 · Jun 8, 2024

Tech Junky said:
When am4 hit it was a new socket/chipset and there was some teething issues for some. Same will probably be true with am5. It comes with the territory though if you're on the bleeding edge or plan on running it for a decade.

Intel theses days either rehashes things like they have for 12-14 and charge a premium by releasing a new chipset to enable new features to be used aka buy a new board for $200+ in addition to the CPU cost.

That's what I did when I put together my current system as the board was knocked down to $160 because of the uefi bugs people couldn't figure out that they needed to check for and apply an update. It took me three different versions to get things smoothed out but, it's been flawless since. When I got the board it was still on the factory release and had been for sale for a year.

I think I read in an other post of yours your running a Ryzen 9 7900x. They have those on sale now for $500 down from $800 a little more then I wanted to spend

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X - 12-Core 4.7 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000589WOF)

for about the same money I can get this

Intel Core i7-14700K - Core i7 14th Gen 20-Core (8P+12E) LGA 1700 125W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Processor - Boxed - BX8071514700K

What I don't know is all the details of these boards, and what could possibly make one better then the other. if it is,

this is also $500

Intel Core i9-13900 Desktop Processor - 24 cores (8 P-cores + 16 E-cores) - 36MB Cache, up to 5.6 GHz - Box

Tech Junky · Jun 8, 2024

NS99 said:
I think I read in an other post of yours your running a Ryzen 9 7900x. They have those on sale now for $500 down from $800 a little more then I wanted to spend

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X - 12-Core 4.7 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000589WOF)

I picked mine up for $400 and have seen them drop to $300 depending on the week. But, getting the MOBO for $160 vs $400+ made it more palatable on the bank account. Under $600 vs ~$1000 and that $400 went towards other stuff needed to make it work, Of course it's all about timing these days when it comes to parts and prices. There seems to be surge pricing on some stuff while other stuff just sits static. For instance NVME drives in the U.x format fluctuate wildly between sellers to the tune of thousands.

Narrow down your ideas to what you need and save some searches / price alerts on PCPartPicker and wait it out. Or snipe them on ebay as needed.

NS99 · Jun 8, 2024

Tech Junky said:
I picked mine up for $400 and have seen them drop to $300 depending on the week. But, getting the MOBO for $160 vs $400+ made it more palatable on the bank account. Under $600 vs ~$1000 and that $400 went towards other stuff needed to make it work, Of course it's all about timing these days when it comes to parts and prices. There seems to be surge pricing on some stuff while other stuff just sits static. For instance NVME drives in the U.x format fluctuate wildly between sellers to the tune of thousands.

Narrow down your ideas to what you need and save some searches / price alerts on PCPartPicker and wait it out. Or snipe them on ebay as needed.

Thanks man appreciate the info.

I think my biggest issue right now is what you said Narrowing it down to what I need or want. I'm not sure what that is yet, I5, I7 I think I9 is over kill for what I want same as a 7900x, but yet on the flip side I want something that I can get 5-7 years out of or longer if possible, them maybe upgrade

one of the games I looking requires CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 / Intel Core i7 10700, VIDEO CARD: GeForce GTX 2060 / Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB VRAM

So I want to be higher then that if I want some longevity out of my system. I'd imagine flight sim games require even higher specs.

Thanks

Tech Junky · Jun 8, 2024

Well, for Intel don't bother with anything under 12th gen as that's when pcie Gen 5 got released.

AMD got it with AM4 ~2022?

For GPU 12GB seems to be the baseline these days just to keep pace if you're gaming at all. For my setup I put in a 6GB Sparkle A380 card for media tasks for $100. Why? Because there was no benefit in processing speed going with a higher tier. The card enables me to use QSV to speed things up and reduce the size of video files considerably. Intel CPUs do that I their own and AMD doesn't since it's an Intel technology.

NS99 said:
flight sim

Yes, if you want it to be fluid then higher is better in terms of GPU.

Overall though if you went with a decent AM4 and paired it with a GPU that isn't overkill you should be good for a few years. I take the approach of building sensible as everything can be swapped as needed. Then just sell the replaced part to recoup the costs.

manly · Jun 9, 2024

NS99 said:
Well now you have me thinking lol. I'm sure I bought that processor maybe even closer to 2010 then 2012, now I'll be routing for receipts all night lol

Not really brand loyal its just I had good luck with these parts, but if things has changed I have no issue in switching. I seen a recent yuotube vid comparing AMD to INTEL, the guy said the AMD seemed to have more glitches and was finickier then the intel, but they was also over clocking, running turbo this or that etc . he said running with all that off there was no issue. Have you guys seen any of those issues, I also take that vid with a grain of salt as I'm not going to be trying to get absolutely everything out of my PC

I should add I'm also from Canada everything up here is at least double the price as in the USA. thats why the open box thing is sometimes appealing. Newegg up here seem to have good buys now and again.

I did not no about Zen 5 thanks for that info, I assume there will be a price drop?

Thanks for the info

LOL didn't mean to have you doing more work.

We all have our brand loyalties, nothing wrong with that. Just give AMD Ryzen a fair shake and then make up your mind. Since you're doing components research anyway, it doesn't hurt to keep an open mind. Yeah I'm not dialed into the global PC components market, but it seems like the U.S. and China are super lucky. Most selection and best prices.

I think Zen 5 will be available next month (the announcement was just made a week ago). AMD has been trimming some of its prices the last 3-6 months, probably in anticipation of the new launch. It's impossible to say if they'll continue to cut prices but as far as we can tell, they will still have inventory of Zen 3 (AM4) and Zen 4 (AM5) CPUs going forward. At some point, the old stuff disappears but that doesn't seem imminent. They're still selling a few RDNA 2 based graphics cards, and these were launched back in 2020.

Two final points. Normally for gaming PCs, it's recommended to go mid-range on the CPU and prioritize spending on the GPU. Outside of very few CPU-bound games, this is the right strategy. On that note, I'd avoid Intel i9 completely unless I had some non-gaming workloads that I knew would benefit. As for AMD, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D was pretty much the "consensus" gaming CPU of 2023, and into the new year. No word yet on its replacement.

BoomerD · Jun 9, 2024

NS99 said:
Well now you have me thinking lol. I'm sure I bought that processor maybe even closer to 2010 then 2012, now I'll be routing for receipts all night lol

Not really brand loyal its just I had good luck with these parts, but if things has changed I have no issue in switching. I seen a recent yuotube vid comparing AMD to INTEL, the guy said the AMD seemed to have more glitches and was finickier then the intel, but they was also over clocking, running turbo this or that etc . he said running with all that off there was no issue. Have you guys seen any of those issues, I also take that vid with a grain of salt as I'm not going to be trying to get absolutely everything out of my PC

I should add I'm also from Canada everything up here is at least double the price as in the USA. thats why the open box thing is sometimes appealing. Newegg up here seem to have good buys now and again.

I did not no about Zen 5 thanks for that info, I assume there will be a price drop?

Thanks for the info

if it helps, Intel says that processor was released Q1/2017. Not nearly as old as you thought.

I built new in January 2023. I was faced with many of the same decisions as you. I wanted to replace a pre-built with an i7-9700K, z390 board (my last build...which I still have the parts to...was an i5-7600 in 2011...about a month before Ivy Bridge came out. Served me well enough...until I bought the pre-built in 2019. Still worked...just not as fast as I wanted for gaming.
I went with the i5-13600K and haven't regretted it a bit. Fast as hell, paired with 32GB of DDR4 (already had the RAM, so opted for a Z690 DDR4 board) and NVMe drives...WHOOSH! I'm using the EVGA RTX3070 I bought about a year before. Not the best GPU , but suitable. I DO with it had more VRAM, but buying anew video card with more RAM just wasn't in my budget.

NS99 · Jun 9, 2024

manly said:
LOL didn't mean to have you doing more work.

We all have our brand loyalties, nothing wrong with that. Just give AMD Ryzen a fair shake and then make up your mind. Since you're doing components research anyway, it doesn't hurt to keep an open mind. Yeah I'm not dialed into the global PC components market, but it seems like the U.S. and China are super lucky. Most selection and best prices.

I think Zen 5 will be available next month (the announcement was just made a week ago). AMD has been trimming some of its prices the last 3-6 months, probably in anticipation of the new launch. It's impossible to say if they'll continue to cut prices but as far as we can tell, they will still have inventory of Zen 3 (AM4) and Zen 4 (AM5) CPUs going forward. At some point, the old stuff disappears but that doesn't seem imminent. They're still selling a few RDNA 2 based graphics cards, and these were launched back in 2020.

Two final points. Normally for gaming PCs, it's recommended to go mid-range on the CPU and prioritize spending on the GPU. Outside of very few CPU-bound games, this is the right strategy. On that note, I'd avoid Intel i9 completely unless I had some non-gaming workloads that I knew would benefit. As for AMD, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D was pretty much the "consensus" gaming CPU of 2023, and into the new year. No word yet on its replacement.

Thank great info appreciate it

NS99 · Jun 9, 2024

BoomerD said:
if it helps, Intel says that processor was released Q1/2017. Not nearly as old as you thought.

I built new in January 2023. I was faced with many of the same decisions as you. I wanted to replace a pre-built with an i7-9700K, z390 board (my last build...which I still have the parts to...was an i5-7600 in 2011...about a month before Ivy Bridge came out. Served me well enough...until I bought the pre-built in 2019. Still worked...just not as fast as I wanted for gaming.
I went with the i5-13600K and haven't regretted it a bit. Fast as hell, paired with 32GB of DDR4 (already had the RAM, so opted for a Z690 DDR4 board) and NVMe drives...WHOOSH! I'm using the EVGA RTX3070 I bought about a year before. Not the best GPU , but suitable. I DO with it had more VRAM, but buying anew video card with more RAM just wasn't in my budget.

That for the info appreciate it, And you guys we're right, my pc isn't as old as I thought, My Wife kindly reminded me that yes I built it somewhere around 2010 -2012, in late 2016 or early 2017 I had motherboard issues, so I must have replaced motherboard and cpu them. Memory is not as good as it use to be lol

I'm going to keep this pc running, just for daily use,email .messaging, youtube and regular on online stuff.
the one I want to build will be solely just for gaming, and I'm not a serious gamer by any means, just want something that works good and plays game lol

DAPUNISHER · Jun 9, 2024

Intel 13th and 14th gen 7 and 9 series CPUs are suspect, and I would not base a build on them. They have been found to suffer degradation over time when max performance is enabled, becoming unstable and crashing in Unreal Engine 4 and 5 games, as well as others. There isn't even assurance that if you follow the advice for UEFI settings or bios versions to address the issue while maintaining 95% of the performance, that you still won't have a faulty CPU in the next few years. Hence, unless you are willing to live with significantly reduced performance by using the more conservative settings you may be rolling the dice. Which definitely means you are not getting the performance you see in reviews. I can't think of one good reason to choose them over other CPUs for a gaming build, not a single one.

If you insist on Intel build a 12th gen Alder Lake system. There are hot deals on 12th gen all the time and they make great gamers. They do not seem to suffer the degradation either. I don't write this lightly, as without the performance limiting settings, 13 and 14 gen really can suffer from the progeria (rapid aging) of the CPU world. And we have no idea if it is only certain binned parts that suffer the degradation, or if the ones that are degrading are only doing it a bit faster than the better silicon lottery samples. Why risk it if the build has to last 5yrs or more? 12th gen, AM4, and AM5 all offer excellent gaming performance, any are better picks than Raptor Lake IMO.

Tech Junky · Jun 9, 2024

@DAPUNISHER that's interesting info. I quit paying attn to Intel when they didn't make a major change using the same nodes and charging more for E cores being added. My motivation for AMD though was entirely something else I had in mind for use.

DAPUNISHER · Jun 9, 2024

Tech Junky said:
@DAPUNISHER that's interesting info. I quit paying attn to Intel when they didn't make a major change using the same nodes and charging more for E cores being added. My motivation for AMD though was entirely something else I had in mind for use.

If you don't mind watching the vid or reading the transcript, HUB just did a fairly comprehensive update including the confirmation it is degradation that is responsible for the crashing.

NS99 · Jun 9, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
If you don't mind watching the vid or reading the transcript, HUB just did a fairly comprehensive update including the confirmation it is degradation that is responsible for the crashing.

Thank you very much for all the info, that's a big help, So if I go intel I'd probably get the i7-12700KF, but I'm not even sure if I want or would use the overclocking on that model.

But after talking with you guys I am kinda leaning more to AMD I think ( you will know better ) the Ryzen 7 5800x is comparable to the i7-12700kf if so the Ryzan is on for a steal from what I can see, the i7-12700kf is $330 the Ryzen 7 5800x is on for $160, the only thing I'm not sure of is the Ryzen is a Zen 3 and AM4, what kind of longevity will that have, However I'm not sure I care to go to a AM5 platform if there as finicky as they say .

Tech Junky · Jun 9, 2024

NS99 said:
Zen 3 and AM4

AMD is still making newer models but, they're a dead end in terms of getting current tech.

If you go to pcpartpicker.com you can filter by the socket and compare different options. Fair comparison between 12700k and 7900x are about the same but the AMD is all P cores when comparing threads. Compare the chipsets as well as the x670/e are slightly different in what gets CPU access and what gets bottlenecked by the chipset at x4 Gen 4. Looking at the x870 coming soon the only perk is the mandatory USB4 ports.

B-Riz · Jun 10, 2024

A solid gaming platform would be a Ryzen 7 5700X / X3D for budget or a Ryzen 5 7600 for a bit more longevity; Intel i5 12600K/KF or 12700K/KF are also very good options.

A very good system would be splurge for 64GB DDR5 and a Ryzen 7 7700, then a Radeon 6800 class card and above, RTX 4070 class cards are "good", just $50 - $75 more than they really should cost; a 7900 GRE is a great value card, if wanting to spend that much.

Tell us a budget even in Loonies and we can help out.

In2Photos · Jun 10, 2024

There is no way I would build an Intel rig right now. and not sure what you have heard about AMD systems, but I have 1 AM4 and 2 AM5 systems that work absolutely fine. Had a few quirks with the Gigabyte motherboard on my daughter's PC, but it seems to be sorted now and working great.

If you are trying to build a budget system consider AM4, for longevity go AM5. As mentioned provide a few more details about your budget and gaming preferences and we can put together something more specific.

NS99 · Jun 10, 2024

In2Photos said:
There is no way I would build an Intel rig right now. and not sure what you have heard about AMD systems, but I have 1 AM4 and 2 AM5 systems that work absolutely fine. Had a few quirks with the Gigabyte motherboard on my daughter's PC, but it seems to be sorted now and working great.

If you are trying to build a budget system consider AM4, for longevity go AM5. As mentioned provide a few more details about your budget and gaming preferences and we can put together something more specific.

Well I never really had a budget in mind as I had no idea going into this what I'd need to spend, I was originally thinking I'd jut build a whole new computer just for gaming, but in reality I don't think I need that, So now I'm kinda thinking upgrading MB, CPU ,GPU, DDR5 add a cooling fan and call it a day ( hopefully ) lol

So really question for me is what do I need, not what I want lol, I don't want budget lower end, only because I want it to carry me for a hand full of years if possible, like my last one. So I'm kinda trying to figure out the best value I can get for a mid range plus computer.

My thinking right now is I7 12700kf for $330 put that on a good DDR5 MB , other option is Ryzen 9 7900x $500 and on a good DDR5 MB, the difference is probably $300 or more anyhow for the Ryzan 9 setup, however it will out preform the I7 12700. but that $300 plus difference I can put into a GPU

So I'm thinking the Intel setup just make more sense for what I'm look for. I mean I don't even really have a list of PC games I want to play, I just want to start to move away from PS5, All my gaming use to be PC years ago before I got into PS systems.

I could go with a Ryzen 7 7700x In a lot video's that seems to be out preforming the i7 12700kf for gaming and that CPU is only about $100 more

The more i look at Ryzen the more I want to go with it, I'm not in a big hurry to buy maybe i wait and see if i catch a good sale

I should ask about MB, any suggestion whether I go with and Intel or Ryzen CPU either way i think I want a DDR5 board

either way thank you all for the great info and help

In2Photos · Jun 11, 2024

I wouldn't go with the 7900X for gaming. Go with the 7800X3D, 7700X or non-x, or 7600X.

For motherboard it's really down to features you want. For most people a B650 board is enough. I base my decision on all of the connectivity, making sure I have enough rear USB ports, etc.

BoomerD · Jun 11, 2024

NS99 said:
Thank you very much for all the info, that's a big help, So if I go intel I'd probably get the i7-12700KF, but I'm not even sure if I want or would use the overclocking on that model.

But after talking with you guys I am kinda leaning more to AMD I think ( you will know better ) the Ryzan 7 5800x is comparable to the i7-12700kf if so the Ryzan is on for a steal from what I can see, the i7-12700kf is $330 the Ryzan 7 5800x is on for $160, the only thing I'm not sure of is the Ryzan is a Zen 3 and AM4, what kind of longevity will that have, However I'm not sure I care to go to a AM5 platform if there as finicky as they say .

If you're set on the i7-12700KF, Intel via Newegg has it on sale for $184.99. ($204.99 - $20)

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700kf-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118345?sdtid=0

NS99 · Jun 13, 2024

BoomerD said:
If you're set on the i7-12700KF, Intel via Newegg has it on sale for $184.99. ($204.99 - $20)

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700kf-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118345?sdtid=0

Thank you, I sen that and thats issue, The price. Not really set on Intel from everything said here and what I continue to read, Here in Canada I can get a I7-12700k and either a Z690e or Z790 MB for $500-$550 That price point is just hard to beat, but in the back of my head I'm not really sure I want the Intel even though I know it probably everything I want and more. That my dilemma

From what I'm seeing and reading the Ryzen 7 7800x3d is probably one of the best or better gaming options out there right now, but that cpu and MB like a B650e-f is going to start at $825 and up, that my hold up lol

I'm in no hurry I'm going to give it a bit and see what the AMD price does and see if I can catch a good sale or something,

In2Photos · Jun 13, 2024

Keep in mind that the 12700 is three generations old. It's going to be cheaper than a current version AMD. If you're going to do price comparisons for the 12700K use a 5800X3D.

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