If all the market was just gamers I could see that point but it's not.Or they are concerned that Zen 5 will be a dud because the 7800X3D is faster in games.
Desktop DIY seemingly cares about gaming performance over everything else. If AMD wants to move Zen 5 chips they’re betting it’ll have to be packaged with X3D.
Just look at sales of 7800X3D vs the rest of the Zen 4 lineup.
If that launch is true I guess this time they are not concerned with X3D parts affecting vanilla Zen 5 sales?
If all the market was just gamers I could see that point but it's not.
Has any one measured iso-clock SpecInt uplift between 7700x and 7800x3d?
Or in general, iso-clock 7700x vs. 7800x3d in various workloads?
If Zen 5 x3d parts indeed arrive in 2024, or even in late Q3, I would then agree with Tom from MLID, who said that AMD should disclose full details of the full product line.
There is really no reason for AMD to try to "fool" people into buying vanilla Zen 5 or 9950x3d, delaying the product customers really really want - 9800x3d.
It didn't work with Zen 4. Ended up being counterproductive and all it created was some bitterness. Zen 4 sales were in the dumpster until 7800x3d was released. AMD wasted approx. 3 quarters or 8 months worth of sales.
If all the market was just gamers I could see that point but it's not.
It's a little different this time. There is no need for a new motherboard and memory. That said, I very much doubt Zen 4 owners are going to buy Zen 5. However prices on those parts are much better than they were when Zen 4 launched.
I don't think AMD tried to fool anyone. Everyone knew the 7800X3D was coming. If they were bitter about having to wait another month or two to get one,, oh well. AMD is a business after all. They will try to make more money even if what they do is questionably stupid.
That doesn't stop zen 4 from outselling all of intel chips. My nearest microcenter associates told me raptor lake was actually outselling zen 4 for the first month, but after that the zen sales was rofl stomping all the intel chips combined.Desktop DIY seemingly cares about gaming performance over everything else. If AMD wants to move Zen 5 chips they’re betting it’ll have to be packaged with X3D.
Just look at sales of 7800X3D vs the rest of the Zen 4 lineup.
Yeah, zen4 had IPC improvements + clockspeed over zen3. Zen5 only has IPC improvements.It is a little disappointing that the 9700X will lag the 7800X3D in gaming, even if it's just by single digits. When the 7700X launched it was a bit faster than the 5800X3D.
"It's encouraging to see that all three Zen 4 CPUs tested so far are faster than the 5800X3D, and that's not something we were expecting to find going into this testing." Link
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Is there any info if AMD will increase the VCache chip in the new X3D series? The current chip is 64MB...could we see a jump to 128,256?
Okay. I’m merely saying that the 7800X3D is by far their highest selling SKU.That doesn't stop zen 4 from outselling all of intel chips. My nearest microcenter associates told me raptor lake was actually outselling zen 4 for the first month, but after that the zen sales was rofl stomping all the intel chips combined.
Zen 5 cores main selling point is the supreme single thread performance. Where is it?The one thing I have not heard mentioned in these last few posts.... MOST of AMDs current revenue I think is in the server area. I know its of primary concern for AMD, regardless of the actual current numbers. They currently technically dominate that market, and are growing market share as fast as they can. Business desktops (as mentioned) are probably number 2.
Well, there are multiple things at play.
- Third, N3B being sort of a dud and Zen 5 being back ported to N4 means that some stuff was likely cut. I find it very curious that AMD were hell-bent on keeping the CCD area the same (under 70mm^2). That leads me to think the design team had limited transistor budget, so it makes sense that the jump isn't as big as some hoped
Well, in ~3 weeks we should know. With real release silicon benchmarks, on a wider range of applications, whether AMD was sandbagging or not. Tough to wait, isn't it?!Zen 5 cores main selling point is the supreme single thread performance. Where is it?
If they did what you suggest they wouldn't cut back on the transistor budget for the core, they'd cut back on the transistor budget for the CCD. Which would mean fewer cores on the die or less L3.
It would have been nice if Zen 5 client was fabbed on N3E. Finflex is amazing. Then the clocks would have increased as well + 16% IPC would have been very nice.Zen 5 seems to be an OK core, "not great not terrible".
They should have used SF3. GAAFET is amazing /s.It would have been nice if Zen 5 client was fabbed on N3E. Finflex is amazing. Then the clocks would have increased as well + 16% IPC would have been very nice.
Business laptops 2nd, certainly. (If all of the various server segments, such as hyperscalers, HPC, database, training/ inferencing, edge/ telecommunications, etc. pp. are implied in 1st.)The one thing I have not heard mentioned in these last few posts.... MOST of AMDs current revenue I think is in the server area. I know its of primary concern for AMD, regardless of the actual current numbers. They currently technically dominate that market, and are growing market share as fast as they can. Business desktops (as mentioned) are probably number 2.
In server workloads which don't exercise certain accelerators which some Intel SKUs have, Turin's (still unknown) single thread performance will certainly be way up at the industry's very top. However, single thread performance is a main selling point only in some of the segments of datacenter. (High frequency trading, per-core software license shenanigans...) Generally more important performance related selling points are power efficiency, and per socket/ node/ height unit/ rack performance.Zen 5 cores main selling point is the supreme single thread performance. Where is it?
AMD has been using phrases like "firing on all cylinders" or "the best is yet to come". But in reality the release gap widened considerably after Zen 3 and the architectural gains also lowered.They took almost 2 years from Z4 for these gains is the problem.
If Z6 takes 2 years for 10% then someone's lunch is going to get slowly shared with everyone
38.4 Billion is small? (with 5.3% YOY growth?)If all the market was just gamers I could see that point but it's not.
DIY desktop market when it comes to gaming is also small.
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