yeah it’s fine.Yet except the developer kit part it all makes sense.
Bigger number = better.
I didn't say that.I do love how we’re backing up constantly on Snapdragon tho, like from “Nuvia and QC won’t ship lol”
One man's wrong doesn't justify another man's error.to “but the skus are bad” (AMD and Intel doing the same shit)
it’s not about the turbo clocks in isolation. More turbo would give you less lag, it’s just about the cores. Everybody does frequency ramping. How much you can afford, and how fast you get there, and how often you can do that thermally — or without killing the battery, is the question.Some early reviews of the Snapdragon X Elite are beginning to drop.
This is one about the Galaxy Book4 Edge;
View attachment 101010This comment about responsiveness/microlag is interesting. In a hardware/engineering perspective, what is the reason for this? Is it because ARM CPUs don't have aggressive turbo clocks?
I didn’t say you said that. It’s just a general funny thing.I didn't say that.
SureOne man's wrong doesn't justify another man's error.
That sounds more like a Windows and/or Adobe issue to me.Some early reviews of the Snapdragon X Elite are beginning to drop.
This is one about the Galaxy Book4 Edge;
View attachment 101010This comment about responsiveness/microlag is interesting. In a hardware/engineering perspective, what is the reason for this? Is it because ARM CPUs don't have aggressive turbo clocks?
But then wouldn't the newer Photoshop on x86 also benefit from the same improvements (I doubt Adobe would maintain/release/support two significantly different versions of their SW especially on the same OS, except perhaps in very early beta releases)?That sounds more like a Windows and/or Adobe issue to me.
The codebase for Photoshop is ancient, extremely bloated and prone to crashes at inopportune times, much as the rest of Adobe's "classic" software line up.
It wouldn't surprise me to know that the native ARM port forced them to make fundamental reimplementation of features that turned out to be significantly faster and more responsive.
Unless the original x86 codebase is now just the backend behind some kind of abstraction layer.But then wouldn't the newer Photoshop on x86 also benefit from the same improvements (I doubt Adobe would maintain/release/support two significantly different versions of their SW especially on the same OS, except perhaps in very early beta releases)?
What is going on with these atrocious GB6 results?Some early reviews of the Snapdragon X Elite are beginning to drop.
This is one about the Galaxy Book4 Edge;
People are saying it's due to premature drivers/firmware. An update is apparently supposed to drop on June 17th to fix the issues.What is going on with these atrocious GB6 results?
In a statement to Reuters, ARM insists:
"ARM's claim against Qualcomm and Nuvia is about protecting the ARM ecosystem and partners who rely on our IP and innovative designs, and therefore enforcing Qualcomm's contractual obligation to destroy and stop using the Nuvia designs that were derived from ARM technology."
Dude comparing it to the "beta" MTL silicon based Core Ultra laptop. No wonder...This comment about responsiveness/microlag is interesting. In a hardware/engineering perspective, what is the reason for this?
Meaning what? Early firmware?Dude comparing it to the "beta" MTL silicon based Core Ultra laptop. No wonder...
There were good results end of May, so something has regressed. For instance: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6319364People are saying it's due to premature drivers/firmware. An update is apparently supposed to drop on June 17th to fix the issues.
I think firmware can be ruled out at this point. It's the horrible tile latency on MTL slowing things down. It's their first mass market disaggregated tile architecture with a "useless" NPU coz it doesn't meet Microsoft's TOPS requirement. Intel scammed people good. They just wanted to get this thing out ASAP and be done with it, without caring about end users and the longevity of the laptop. Being a tile, shouldn't have been impossible for them to put in a better NPU, unless they manufactured the NPUs before the MTL silicon became usable, in which case, they should've used the NPU with cheaper laptops instead of pushing it in expensive premium designs.Meaning what? Early firmware?
Would be great if they can sell it at $300 max.4× Oryon V1 E-cores @3.0 GHz
Half the Adreno GPU of X Elite
15 TOPS NPU
64 bit LPDDR5X
He's also saying that he can't differentiate between Arm compiled apps and x86 emulated, just like Rosetta 2. Huge win for MS here.Some early reviews of the Snapdragon X Elite are beginning to drop.
This is one about the Galaxy Book4 Edge;
View attachment 101010This comment about responsiveness/microlag is interesting. In a hardware/engineering perspective, what is the reason for this? Is it because ARM CPUs don't have aggressive turbo clocks?
This is seriously impressive! He said that while watching the Apple keynote and doing web work, the battery went from 90% to 75% in 2 hours. Very promising.This dude's saying his Galaxy Book4 Edge gets 31 hours of battery life...
I don't think QCOM intend on selling SoCs with less than 45 TOPs NPU to be honest. Pretty sure even Purwa will meet that Copilot + PC requirement.@igor_kavinski
What would a Snapdragon equivalent of Alder Lake-N look like?
My imagination:
4× Oryon V1 E-cores @3.0 GHz
Half the Adreno GPU of X Elite
15 TOPS NPU
64 bit LPDDR5X
I think Arm and QCOM will settle.Well ARM, this will definitely get you to 50% market share in the PC space. It's the same "old" legal battle, but perfectly timed to rain on their own parade.
ARM torpedoes Windows on ARM: Demands destruction of all PCs with Snapdragon X
It just seems too abstruse: ARM could become relevant for PCs for the first time. However, the company itself is torpedoing the venture.www.heise.de
That's Intel problem. They decided to ship first-generation consumer disaggregated SoCs with all of its problems. Consumer will just buy an product and compare to what they have.Dude comparing it to the "beta" MTL silicon based Core Ultra laptop. No wonder...
Yeah, with the OLED at max brightness and speakers on, for context to the others here. 14” display, I think 70-75wh battery? That’s an extremely good result.He's also saying that he can't differentiate between Arm compiled apps and x86 emulated, just like Rosetta 2. Huge win for MS here.
He also tested RE Village at 1080p and got 40-50 FPS with framedrops here and there. Very surprising for the Adreno GPU.
This is seriously impressive! He said that while watching the Apple keynote and doing web work, the battery went from 90% to 75% in 2 hours. Very promising.
YepI don't think QCOM intend on selling SoCs with less than 45 TOPs NPU to be honest. Pretty sure even Purwa will meet that Copilot + PC requirement.
YepI think Arm and QCOM will settle.
Yep lol.That's Intel problem. They decided to ship first-generation consumer disaggregated SoCs with all of its problems. Consumer will just buy an product and compare to what they have.
Yep. Strongly suspect the tile is an issue and migration to P cores is being throttled for “battery life”, and probably even then they get put to E Cores at clocks way too low for interactivity way too often. I suspect Lunar Lake being on-die for the LPE E cores and Skymont improving will ease this and allow better ramping too, but by how much? Tough to say.He isn't the first person I see complaining about MTL responsiveness. If QCOM beats Intel here, it's all fair. Consumer shouldn't be expected to excuse issues due to x,y,z.