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Tech Junky

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three generations old.
on paper. It's the same crap rebundled every year. There's no change other than price / more E cores.

That my dilemma
Yes, that's the mental part of switching from the subsidized Intel junk we get brain washed into buying because they keep the price low but don't offer much innovation. I struggled with the price difference as well looking at Intel being $300 and AMD $800 or whatever the difference at the times I was thinking about jumping ship.

The difference though is Intel is putting out trash at this point by recycling the same old tech from years ago and not really doing much until they get their new nodes up and running. They're outsourcing their production right now to TSMC which isn't something a company with their own nodes should be doing for profit reasons. The whole 5 nodes / 5 years thing was a joke when they announced it. They're still producing things at 10nm while everything else is 3-6nm.


However, getting caught up in FOMO can lead to analysis paralysis and thus no decision. So.... pick one ecosystem and then figure out what tier you want to be at.

AMD 9000 series is releasing with current boards only needing updates to enable them and the new 870 boards will come later. This is something Intel would never do as a new chipset means more money in the coffers. Though even your 14th gen CPU works in a 690 board.
 

Tech Junky

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three generations old.
on paper. It's the same crap rebundled every year. There's no change other than price / more E cores.

That my dilemma
Yes, that's the mental part of switching from the subsidized Intel junk we get brain washed into buying because they keep the price low but don't offer much innovation. I struggled with the price difference as well looking at Intel being $300 and AMD $800 or whatever the difference at the times I was thinking about jumping ship.

The difference though is Intel is putting out trash at this point by recycling the same old tech from years ago and not really doing much until they get their new nodes up and running. They're outsourcing their production right now to TSMC which isn't something a company with their own nodes should be doing for profit reasons. The whole 5 nodes / 5 years thing was a joke when they announced it. They're still producing things at 10nm while everything else is 3-6nm.


However, getting caught up in FOMO can lead to analysis paralysis and thus no decision. So.... pick one ecosystem and then figure out what tier you want to be at.

AMD 9000 series is releasing with current boards only needing updates to enable them and the new 870 boards will come later. This is something Intel would never do as a new chipset means more money in the coffers. Though even your 14th gen CPU works in a 690 board.
 

NS99

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Keep in mind that the 12700 is three generations old. It's going to be cheaper than a current version AMD. If you're going to do price comparisons for the 12700K use a 5800X3D.
True but up here a 5800k3d is still $410 ish and 7800xed is only about $70 more, so if I go AMd might as well go up to the 7800xed
 

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Here is another question for you guys, I really don't know all the technical differences in each processor, but the Ryzen 7 7800x3d. The Ryzen 9 7900x and the Ryzen 9 7900x3d are about the same price give or take 20 bucks, some youtubers are saying the 7800x3d is the better one out of the 3, is that so? wouldn't the Ryzen 9's have better longevity( support) going forward. Curious to see what processor you all would get.
 
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Tech Junky

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makes sense to me. when I got the 7900X the other options were more $$$. It kind of felt like AMD wanted to sell more X options for some reason even though as a prosumer it was more attractive anyway.

the better one out of the 3
It' s a preference in my book.

7800X3D
7900X3D
7900X

They all have pro/con and it's mostly budget. The X3D portion is geared more towards gamers... whether it makes a difference or not is subjective since once a game loads to the GPU the CPU is mostly idle.


I like the middle of the road just under top tier where the stupid tax comes into play.


When you look at things side by side you have two tiers for cores 79 (12) vs 78 (8) then it's just the bump in RAM. The other thing is the X3D has a lower power profile due to some issues with how they perform when unthrottled as they tend to evaporate into a whisp of smoke. MOBO companies had to revise their UEFI to put a lock on the power limit due to the issue and warranty claims.

It's all still subjective though based on what someone bought or got paid to review they're not going to trash talk their decision unless something goes horribly wrong. So, 8 or 12 cores? What fits your budget? Your GPU will make up for the non-X3D decision.
 
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Here is another question for you guys, I really don't know all the technical differences in each processor, but the Ryzan 7 7800x3d. The Ryzan 9 7900x and the Ryzan 9 7900x3d are about the same price give or take 20 bucks, some youtubers are saying the 7800x3d is the better one out of the 3, is that so? wouldn't the Ryzan 9's have better longevity( support) going forward. Curious to see what processor you all would get.
It's Ryzen.
These are all Zen 4 parts. They should be supported equally going forward.
The 7800X3D was the consensus best gaming CPU for 2023. Without getting into the technical weeds, the additional cores from the Ryzen 9 parts won't help any games but they cost more. Some non-gaming workloads can benefit from extra cores.

Even AMD is saying the new 9700X won't take the gaming crown from the 7800X3D. If it's not in your budget, then you're overanalyzing this because GPU is always more important than CPU for AAA gaming.


The other thing is the X3D has a lower power profile due to some issues with how they perform when unthrottled as they tend to evaporate into a whisp of smoke. MOBO companies had to revise their UEFI to put a lock on the power limit due to the issue and warranty claims.
Source??
 
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Tech Junky

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Your STM must be corrupt as this wasn't that long ago.
 

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Your STM must be corrupt as this wasn't that long ago.
Good to know.

Speaking of not that long ago, it was only August that you were counseling that AMD is not stable and Intel was the better choice. Today your messaging is rather different.

 

Tech Junky

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Today your messaging is rather different.
situations/opinions/experiences do change. Not long after that post though I switched to building out my AMD setup after contemplating doing so for a few years. What pushed me over the edge was an issue I was having with U.x SSD options getting corrupted and "dying" w/ the partition table disappearing. Long story short instead of dumping more money into Intel I switched everything over and regained use of a couple of pieces of HW in the process and killed the gremlins I was dealing with.

Now, when it comes to Intel at this point using the same tech for 12-14th gen and still charging a "tax" for the same tech by requiring chipset upgrades to unlock the fancy features is where i have a problem. While my ADL setup was working fine until the drive issue and Intel is generally dummy proof OTB it has some draw backs.

I also had some other ideas that needed AMD to produce the outcome I was looking for vs spending about as much on a PCIE adapter to make Intel do the same thing.

What this all boils down to though is AM5 / Zen 4 chips offer more brute processing than Intel where you get a 12/24 vs 8+8/24 or whtever they're peddling to get to 40 threads these days. It's like using a TR/Epyc for normal use because it has 50 threads at its disposal. Proper use would be for loading up on PCIE lanes per slot beyond the consumer allocations provided.
 

NS99

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It's Ryzen.
These are all Zen 4 parts. They should be supported equally going forward.
The 7800X3D was the consensus best gaming CPU for 2023. Without getting into the technical weeds, the additional cores from the Ryzen 9 parts won't help any games but they cost more. Some non-gaming workloads can benefit from extra cores.

Even AMD is saying the new 9700X won't take the gaming crown from the 7800X3D. If it's not in your budget, then you're overanalyzing this because GPU is always more important than CPU for AAA gaming.



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Thank you for the reply, and for my mistake.

Its not a budget issue, its more of not throwing good money at a bad product or something I don't need or will even come close to using its capabilities. I also don't want anything that will be outdated or for a better term, not supported in a year.

So my dilemma, was figuring all that out, which thanks to everyone that posted here gave me very valuable info that i otherwise would not have known.

I think my plan now is just buy a cheap CPU and MB like the I7 12700k combo for $400 ish and update my current pc so I can update to windows 11, that PC is not used for anything special, so that will last me awhile and cheap.

But with the advice and knowledge from everyone here I decided to build a pc for gaming, with AMD parts now I need to narrow it down to what I want lol. but I'm pretty sure I'll start with the 7800x3d, And I want to do glass case with a liquid cooler maybe. I figure if I'm going to build one I should try and build a cool looking one this time.

so I'll have more questions on parts lol

Thanks everyone
 
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NS99

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Thank you for the reply, and for my mistake.

Its not a budget issue, its more of not throwing good money at a bad product or something I don't need or will even come close to using its capabilities. I also don't want anything that will be outdated or for a better term, not supported in a year.

So my dilemma, was figuring all that out, which thanks to everyone that posted here gave me very valuable info that i otherwise would not have known.

I think my plan now is just buy a cheap CPU and MB like the I7 12700k combo for $400 ish and update my current pc so I can update to windows 11, that PC is not used for anything special, so that will last me awhile and cheap.

But with the advice and knowledge from everyone here I decided to build a pc for gaming, with AMD parts now I need to narrow it down to what I want lol. but I'm pretty sure I'll start with the 7800x3d, And I want to do glass case with a liquid cooler maybe. I figure if I'm going to build one I should try and build a cool looking one this time.

so I'll have more questions on parts lol

Thanks everyone
 

NS99

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Has anyone used the NZXT H6 flow mid tower? Looks like a pretty cool case and not bad reviews.
 
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