Question Intel to amd = more crashes?

igor_kavinski · Jun 13, 2024

May also want to check cooling/thermal paste. And default voltages. Which mobo did you change to?

Up to you if you want to keep running single channel but after replacing everything else, I would also RMA the CPU. Or get Ryzen 5700X/5600GT and RMA current one then sell it when new one comes back.

Tech Junky · Jun 13, 2024

Hans Gruber said:
AMD systems are extremely stable.

Once you get the matching uefi with the bugs worked out you are correct. There seems to be some issues at launch getting things right and thus pain ensues. Most of the RAM complaints arise when trying to use 4 sticks not just two but, it's possible.

B-Riz · Jun 14, 2024

Hopefully your HW issue gets figured out

RE: an anecdote to Windows resiliency.

Believe it or not, my 5900X box has been running the same Windows 7* install and just going with the in place Windows upgrades since Windows 8.

Started it on i7 920 -> i5 2500K -> i7 2700K -> i7 4790K -> Ryzen 9 3900X -> Ryzen 9 5900X

* because, looking back, Win7 to 8.1 Pro, which I did, did remove *most* programs, so I suppose it was more a semi-fresh install than an upgrade?

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The switch to AMD from Intel was a matter of booting into safe mode and uninstalling all drivers, then booting with new board NOT connected to internet, installing chipset and all other drivers from fresh downloads off a USB drive.

I have migrated the primary SSD a few times using Macrium.

When bench-marking / stress testing the new stuff, have never had anomalies or performance regressions; the biggest annoyances were related to switching to a 2560x1440 monitor and higher end video card, and having to switch all game resolutions / settings from 1920x1080

Attached is my oldest installed software, yes, it may not prove much, but I have winged it like this (but making backups first!) for the past 10+ years

B-Riz · Jun 14, 2024

shabby said:
A little update, even with new memory the crashes came back. I then changed the ssd and a fresh install and the crashes stopped for a while but eventually came back.
They got so bad that i couldn't even get into windows, i changed the motherboard and that fixed the crashes for a while, but they eventually came back also.
So a new ssd, new mobo, new ram and it still crashes on a daily basis mostly during bootup.
One thing i did last week was pull one of the memory modules out, so now i'm running on one stick... no crashes for the last week. Faulty imc on my ryzen 5600x?
Lets see how long this lasts...

Best idea I can think of, get a cheap SSD, like a 256 or 512 SATA, install Win11 Pro on it from a fresh Rufus USB (use Rufus to remove the annoying Win11 install reqs), make another USB with all drivers needed, set BIOS to stock / default, install Windows NOT connected to internet, update drivers from the USB NOT connected to internet, stability test?

Basically sneaker net the whole setup / testing process, maybe Windows update is grabbing something and fudging your system?

My offline install / setup / test is what I do when getting new hardware, the 7800X3D system went through it and got internet connected after it was ready. I do however, gpedit / Group Policy change Windows to keep Win Update from auto updating drivers, it is only allowed to update the OS.

DAPUNISHER · Jun 14, 2024

It's down to the CPU or a dodgy PSU.

shabby · Jun 15, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
It's down to the CPU or a dodgy PSU.

I'm thinking cpu, since its been stable as soon as i took out the memory stick i'm thinking imc, if it was the psu it would keep crashing. I have a psu tester coming in but doubt that will tell me much, don't think any of the voltages are off.
I'll see if i can borrow a 3600x from a friend.

igor_kavinski said:
May also want to check cooling/thermal paste. And default voltages. Which mobo did you change to?

Up to you if you want to keep running single channel but after replacing everything else, I would also RMA the CPU. Or get Ryzen 5700X/5600GT and RMA current one then sell it when new one comes back.

The same board, friend had one. I'm willing to bet my warranty ran out, its only 3 years.

igor_kavinski · Jun 15, 2024

shabby said:
I'll see if i can borrow a 3600x from a friend.

Yeah that would be great for testing. Best of luck!

static shock · Jun 17, 2024

No OP, only if you didn't format the computer. Even on W10/W11 you will find crashes. Pay attention to don't use a bad quality PSU and build your rig with care.

shabby · Jul 6, 2024

static shock said:
No OP, only if you didn't format the computer. Even on W10/W11 you will find crashes. Pay attention to don't use a bad quality PSU and build your rig with care.

I put in a new ssd and fresh install, psu is an 850w one, and it crashes only with 2 memory sticks, with one its fine, doubt its the psu.
Anyway turns out i purchased the 5600x on july 9th 2021 so it has a few more days of warranty left, doing the rma with amd now

Hans Gruber · Jul 6, 2024

shabby said:
I put in a new ssd and fresh install, psu is an 850w one, and it crashes only with 2 memory sticks, with one its fine, doubt its the psu.
Anyway turns out i purchased the 5600x on july 9th 2021 so it has a few more days of warranty left, doing the rma with amd now

Do you have a matching memory kit of memory sticks? Are you running your stick in the 1st and 3rd slots or the 2nd and 4th slots? If a computer runs fine with one memory stick. That means the timings are screwed up or the memory modules are not pairing correctly. Usually dissimilar memory modules. Eg. a DDR4 2400mhz stick with a 3200mhz stick and memory settings and timings set for 3200mhz with tight timings. There are a bunch of possibilities, did you try manually setting your memory voltage to 1.35-1.37v?

I do not see where the CPU is the problem. Did you throw darts at a dart board to come up with the CPU being the problem?

A fresh install? Does that mean a clean Windows install with a USB downloaded from Microsoft?

Shmee · Jul 8, 2024

Hans Gruber said:
Do you have a matching memory kit of memory sticks? Are you running your stick in the 1st and 3rd slots or the 2nd and 4th slots? If a computer runs fine with one memory stick. That means the timings are screwed up or the memory modules are not pairing correctly. Usually dissimilar memory modules. Eg. a DDR4 2400mhz stick with a 3200mhz stick and memory settings and timings set for 3200mhz with tight timings. There are a bunch of possibilities, did you try manually setting your memory voltage to 1.35-1.37v?

I do not see where the CPU is the problem. Did you throw darts at a dart board to come up with the CPU being the problem?

A fresh install? Does that mean a clean Windows install with a USB downloaded from Microsoft?

It is possible, though unlikely, that the IMC on the 5600X is the issue. Though AM4 has come a long way with memory support, it is possible that the memory is fine, the board is fine, and the memory controller is just flaky. You are right though that it could just be the board, maybe something wrong with one of the DIMM slots or the tracings to it.

Thing is, I seem to recall the OP already tried different board and memory.

Hans Gruber · Jul 9, 2024

Shmee said:
It is possible, though unlikely, that the IMC on the 5600X is the issue. Though AM4 has come a long way with memory support, it is possible that the memory is fine, the board is fine, and the memory controller is just flaky. You are right though that it could just be the board, maybe something wrong with one of the DIMM slots or the tracings to it.

Thing is, I seem to recall the OP already tried different board and memory.

If one stick of memory works without issues. Then you know it's the memory when more than one module is added. It could be an XMP conflict or mismatched sticks but it's not the CPU or the motherboard. I would suggest using the jumping to flash the CMOS. Resetting the bios to stock settings should work. Flashing the CMOS is a fail safe. Then start over.

I practice breaking my PC's to make sure they are solid. I used to run them on the edge of crashing all the time. They crashed too much and I decided to go for solid performance instead.

The only complaint about AM4 is the boot time. That's it, everything else is really solid.

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