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HomerJS

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Try and control a Thompson on full automatic. They are fun to shoot, but waste an extreme amount of ammunition.

We used to carry them on the boats.
If you are suggesting bump stocked guns are not a concern I suggest you re-read about the worst mass shooting in history in Las Vegas at that country music concert
 

pcgeek11

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If you are suggesting bump stocked guns are not a concern I suggest you re-read about the worst mass shooting in history in Las Vegas at that country music concert

I don't know how you contorted that out of what you quoted. You need a reading comprehension class.

Go back and read my post on what I think about Bump Stocks etc...

I'll help you: See Post # 130

As a second amendment advocate I think Bump Stocks should be illegal along with high capacity magazines. Also anything that is intended to get around the automatic weapons (machine gun) being illegal.
 

Moonbeam

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With regard to the fact that a big part of gun violence is suicide can anyone offer a better explanation for it than self hate? Does any form of suicide other than medically assisted end of life termination of diseased caused pain sound like something that can coexist with mental health? Men may seek more assured ways of killing themselves than women but that may speak to other factors. The fact remains that suicide isn’t an issue f without underlying mental health issues.

The reason why people are killing themselves does not happen among people who feel happy enough to feel they deserve to live, who are not engaged in some massive inner need to deny those negative feelings to the point where the effort to do takes all joy out of living.

Suicide, I believe, is self punishment for feeling guilty about wishing to live, that just any feeling of self worth is intolerable. And it is also revenge, a way of saying to those who made of feel guilty, look what you made me do. I killed myself and maybe a whole lot of others with me, you fucking bastards.

All higher forms of consciousness have this paradoxical dualistic element, that two seemingly opposite things are really the same. The result of this is that all attempts to make guns socially stigmatized and evil will make them naturally appealing to the sick. Mass killings are ways that self haters because of their death wishes want to hurt back by killing as many as they can. “Let me share my misery, and let me do it with your worst nightmare.”
 
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I don’t get why @pcgeek11 gets beat up over gun issues. He’s like 90% in agreement with like 90% of us.
Just accept a gun owner like him wanting to restrict guns to responsible owners and accept his feedback regarding gun control issues.
Take joy in the fact he agrees with nearly everything but a few minor issues.
 

MrSquished

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No.

I'll consider it when you post a detailed list of every candidate you have ever voted for local and federal since you became of age to vote.
I mean it's pretty simple. I've never voted for a Republican. I've either voted for Democrats or a few times third party candidates. I also vote in the Democratic primaries and I will always vote for the last establishment candidate if I like them And feel that the regular establishment candidate needs refreshing. Such as the past primary my district for congress and for senator. Just the other week.
 

pcgeek11

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I mean it's pretty simple. I've never voted for a Republican. I've either loaded for Democrats or a few times third party candidates. I also vote in the Democratic primaries and I will always vote for the last establishment candidate if I like them.


I'll consider it when you post a detailed list of every candidate you have ever voted for local and federal since you became of age to vote.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Children at the beach would be in danger of drowning. Your idea is not really feasible.

Preventing children from growing up in abusive households would do more to end crime that guns or armor ever will.
I concur, I'm also just more of a person of defensive mindset.
 

Moonbeam

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I concur, I'm also just more of a person of defensive mindset.
That was an attitude introduced into the world by Jesus to counter the obvious endless tribal violence that comes with an eye for an eye revenge, Unfortunately, like all forms of rationalization that goes hand in hand with self hate, it doesn't take long for corruption of the institution to be rationalized. In the South, particularly, guns are part and parcel of many so called Christian churches.

Islam faced the same problem with their emphasis on compassion. Those who opposed its introduction had no compassion at all and used the compassion of their enemies to take full advantage of them. Where injustice prevails the demands for action against it reach irresistible levels. We create what we fear compassion-less people can only be deterred by force. In this way Islam as I understand it anyway, makes good sense. Practice compassion absolutely but when encountering what we sometimes call evil, resist and in absolute measure until the enemy capitulates and repents. Then they get one chance at that and that's it. You don't get two strikes.

In the US we have a system of justice not far far different from this. We afford the notion that people are innocent until convicted usually by jury for serious offenses. And we have the same corruption of the system where wealth disparity enables some to play the legal system. We have not found a cure for this. Nor have we found social solutions to the poverty, desperation, and misery that leads the so many of us to crime. The lack of justice leads to despair and that eventually to vigilante violence.

The sword of God is the empty bellies of the poor. A saying
 

[DHT]Osiris

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That was an attitude introduced into the world by Jesus to counter the obvious endless tribal violence that comes with an eye for an eye revenge,
Shrug, I don't really care about any of this. It just makes more sense to be defensive. You're more likely to be unlucky if you aren't prepared for a situation than if you are, that's all.
 

Moonbeam

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Shrug, I don't really care about any of this. It just makes more sense to be defensive. You're more likely to be unlucky if you aren't prepared for a situation than if you are, that's all.
That probably implies that you don't really care to know what is behind why people use that expression. I think that knowledge and preparation go hand in hand. I think also that people spend their lives preparing for things that exist only in their imaginations and create psychological issues like obsessive thinking. Anyway, no worries. Caring and not caring in the long generally run have pretty much the same effect on people who don't care. I think it's only those who do that find treasure.
 

MrSquished

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I'll consider it when you post a detailed list of every candidate you have ever voted for local and federal since you became of age to vote.
Oh fuck off you little creep with this nonsense.

Just give a 30-year average by party who you voted for in general. It's really simple dude. That's my 30-year average I answered it pretty clearly. We know what their position was on gun fanaticism.
 
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pcgeek11

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Oh fuck off you little creep with this nonsense.

Just give a 30-year average by party who you voted for in general. It's really simple dude. That's my 30-year average I answered it pretty clearly. We know what their position was on gun fanaticism.

"Fuck off you little creep"
That's what you got? Really.


You asked me:
Please tell us for which party you voted for in any other elections - for both your senator, congressional rep, and local races. It's as simple as that because one party is for gun nuts and one isn't.

I responded with my requirements to even consider your request.
I'll consider it when you post a detailed list of every candidate you have ever voted for local and federal since you became of age to vote.

To which you answered:
I mean it's pretty simple. I've never voted for a Republican. I've either loaded for Democrats or a few times third party candidates. I also vote in the Democratic primaries and I will always vote for the last establishment candidate if I like them.

Then you get all cranky about it when I restate my request. You make demands and then when someone makes a demand of you, you balk at it. This is as far as I'm going with your request. It doesn't matter who I voted for because you will just continue to disparage me and my choices just as you always do. Not that I care what you think.

I normally vote republican and have occasionally voted for a Democrat, (Bill Clinton for one and I also voted for Jimmy Carter (once)). I did not vote for Nancy Mace in the primary this time around because of her silly shit with Kevin McCarthy.

That is more than you need to know. I hope you feel better now. See I didn't even curse at you or anything. Wow
 
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MrSquished

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You asked me:


I responded with my requirements to even consider your request.


To which you answered:


Then you get all cranky about it when I restate my request. You make demands and then when someone makes a demand of you, you balk at it. This is as far as I'm going with your request. It doesn't matter who I voted for because you will just continue to disparage me and my choices just as you always do. Not that I care what you think.

I normally vote republican and have occasionally voted for a Democrat, (Bill Clinton for one and I also voted for Jimmy Carter (once)). I did not vote for Nancy Mace in the primary this time around because of her silly shit with Kevin McCarthy.

That is more than you need to know. I hope you feel better now. See I didn't even curse at you or anything. Wow

Dude, I'm not trying to give homework assignments where we have to look up the candidates for local and state elections for the last 30 years and make a long list. That is tedious and unnecessary, and it was a ridiculous request to ask for before revealing your general voting trends, as I did, because that's all the answer we need.

So you basically have voted for the party that enables gun fanaticism to exist, protects gun nuts at all costs, and is directly responsible for the majority of gun violence in this country by how they block any reasonable gun control 99% of the time. That's all we needed to know.
 

pcgeek11

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Dude, I'm not trying to give homework assignments where we have to look up the candidates for local and state elections for the last 30 years and make a long list. That is tedious and unnecessary, and it was a ridiculous request to ask for before revealing your general voting trends, as I did, because that's all the answer we need.

So you basically have voted for the party that enables gun fanaticism to exist, protects gun nuts at all costs, and is directly responsible for the majority of gun violence in this country by how they block any reasonable gun control 99% of the time. That's all we needed to know.

It takes two to tango. What Meaningful legislation have the democrats passed to curb gun violence.

In 2009 they controlled both the Senate and the House and had President Obama. Why didn't they make some sweeping legislation.
 
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HomerJS

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I don't know how you contorted that out of what you quoted. You need a reading comprehension class.

Go back and read my post on what I think about Bump Stocks etc...

I'll help you: See Post # 130
I guess you missed the word “If”

At least I didn’t use “people are saying”
 

MrSquished

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It takes two to tango. What Meaningful legislation have the democrats passed to curb gun violence.

In 2009 they controlled both the Senate and the House and had President Obama. Why didn't they make some sweeping legislation.

The Democrats spent all their political capital on getting Obamacare passed for that brief moment they had control of all three branches, by the hair of their chinny chin chin, including needing the vote of Republicans in Democrat clothing, such as Joe Lieberman - the main reason we don't have a public healthcare option right now.

Other than that, there have never been 10 Republicans willing to pass serious gun reform legislation for the most part, besides perhaps the assault rifle ban, which was very successful, so the Repubs decided to block it from ever happening again, they are ok with mass shootings especially. The last bill passed under Biden was pretty milquetoast really. It was so watered down to get enough Trump party votes to get it passed. If it wasn't for the Trump party, it would have been substantial. Overall, if it weren't for the Gun Nut Fetishist GQP, we would have serious gun control. Are you disputing that?
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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It takes two to tango. What Meaningful legislation have the democrats passed to curb gun violence.

In 2009 they controlled both the Senate and the House and had President Obama. Why didn't they make some sweeping legislation.
Gun violence is terrible and it's a hot-button issue, but it's truthfully not as impactful as (for example) our piss-poor medical system. More people were helped by the ACA than would be by increasing gun restrictions. They also rightly knew they'd get a lot further with something like the ACA over changing/'redefining' the constitution, and cost them the next couple elections to boot.

This may come as a shock, but there's still some politicians that are more interested in helping others than lining their pockets or further entrenching their power.
 
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It takes two to tango. What Meaningful legislation have the democrats passed to curb gun violence.

In 2009 they controlled both the Senate and the House and had President Obama. Why didn't they make some sweeping legislation.
The filibuster, which should be eliminated in my option. Basically for the last 25 plus years nothing gets done unless there is a 2/3rd majority in both chambers.
 

outriding

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It takes two to tango. What Meaningful legislation have the democrats passed to curb gun violence.

In 2009 they controlled both the Senate and the House and had President Obama. Why didn't they make some sweeping legislation.

Preventing gun violence should not be a be a party thing…

But you realize the republicans had all 3 branches for 2 years when trump was president and the did nothing

But here is one of the last bills targeted at curbing gun violence submitted by a dem…

And the vote was split down party lines


Dem for it .. repub against it
 
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Zorba

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Is the availability of body armor going to guarantee the requirement of them? Are armed gangs going to take over the streets if civilians have access to protection?

So you now have you develop laws for dozens of 'bump stock' like things? How long will that take? How realistic is that to be possible?
No, you ban anything that creates a rapidly fire weapon, or better yet, a semi-automatic weapon. You don't have to ban every single rube goldberg machine.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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No, you ban anything that creates a rapidly fire weapon, or better yet, a semi-automatic weapon. You don't have to ban every single rube goldberg machine.
But you're falling into the trap that people have for decades. What's a 'rapid fire weapon'? If you want to swing for semi-autos as a class, and place them up with full auto, go ahead, but a lot of people have struck out on that one.

You do have to ban every rube goldberg machine if you cannot succinctly define what you're trying to outlaw (spoiler: 'rapid fire weapon' doesn't cut it), because humans are inventive and we'll find lawful ways to get around legal restrictions, see bump stocks.
 

Moonbeam

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No, you ban anything that creates a rapidly fire weapon, or better yet, a semi-automatic weapon. You don't have to ban every single rube goldberg machine.
I wonder how many of Democrats that owns one of those gun would vote to preserve that right if it they thought voting for Trump would mean securing it. All gun banners do in my opinion is make it harder for Democrats to win elections. It’s almost as if they secretly hate themselves and unconsciously are motivated to accomplish that end.
 
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Leeea

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I oscillate on firearms issues.

Some days I am for regulation. Lose regulation, etc.


But today, ban everything that is not a muzzle loader.

Lets go back to what the founders intended.



Besides, have you seen what center fire muzzle loaders can do now? Everything a person needs for hunting.
 
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