Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q4-2024 ?

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blackangus

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That would be 28gb/s. Any less and GDDR6X would make more sense
You have to consider yields and cost.
24Gbps GDDR6x may have lower yields and cost more than the equivalent GDDR7x.
I dont know Im just saying there are other considerations.(each way!)
 
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Hynix won't be volume shipping any form of GDDR7 until 2025.


While there have been some rumors of late 2024 RTX 5000, I think most rumors had them as 2025 cards from the start. Even though Samsung/Micron could be ready before that, I'd bet on these being 2025 cards.
 

Mopetar

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NVIDIA CEO to deliver a keynote at SIGGRAPH 2024 on July 29

Keynote Outline:
1. Introduction
2. Discuss what Nvidia has done with AI
3. Discuss what Nvidia is currently doing with AI
4. Say "the more you buy, the more you save"
5. Discuss the future of AI
6. Ensure AI is said a few more times to raise stock price
7. Conclusion

I'd laugh if JHH just walks out on stage to start a video recording of his presentation at Computex.

Anyone who complains gets strapped to their seat and made to watch again.
 
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Mopetar

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I think the price for the 5090 won't go up all that much. Instead we just get a deeper cut of the die. Since AMD isn't going to have anything that would even compete with the biggest Blackwell, Nvidia has almost no reason to release a consumer part outside of just needing something to top the existing 4090.

Instead expect whatever lets them salvage does that aren't even sold as cutdown professional parts. They make more money selling non-gaming chips and they can always release a 5090 SUPER or 5090 Ti later on once the high margin markets are saturated.
 

jpiniero

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I think the price for the 5090 won't go up all that much. Instead we just get a deeper cut of the die.

Presumably this is going to be a monster sized die, close to the recticle limit. GB203 is going to be closer to AD102's size than AD103. The costs involved are going to be way higher.
 

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We'll see, but if the 5090 is far from the previous xx90 increase both with regards to performance and VRAM, I can't imagine it will sell well. Not that it matters, NV might just throw up their hands and say 'this is what it costs, nodes/demand etc forced our hand with pricing'. But if I end up skipping it, I doubt a later 5090Ti will very appealing, as the next generation draws closer anyway.
 

jpiniero

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We'll see, but if the 5090 is far from the previous xx90 increase both with regards to performance and VRAM, I can't imagine it will sell well.

The 5090 should be fine and people will complain about the 5080's price but it should deliver a decent improvement over the 4080S. It's the rest of the lineup that will be questionable.
 
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poke01

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The 5090 should be fine and people will complain about the 5080's price but it should deliver a decent improvement over the 4080S. It's the rest of the lineup that will be questionable.
It will be questionable till the Super lineup arrives
 
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The 4090 already runs everything very well.
Nvidia will have snuck pathtracing into some under development titles by now so look forward to those making your 4090 look inadequate. Plus, texture memory compression (we have a dedicated hardware compression engine in there!) and some enhanced AI fakery to make you want to torture your 4090 so it dies an early death and you have a good excuse to get the 5090.
 

poke01

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I like what I'm reading about the 5090 but not sure what I would even play on it. The 4090 already runs everything very well. Maybe VR sims could be improved further, but they are mainly CPU bottlenecked.

Path tracing could be one but that’s probably 5-6 years out. I would skip 5090 if you have 4090 unless you are a professional or hobbyist with money and it saves you time.
 

poke01

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Nvidia will have snuck pathtracing into some under development titles by now so look forward to those making your 4090 look inadequate. Plus, texture memory compression (we have a dedicated hardware compression engine in there!) and some enhanced AI fakery to make you want to torture your 4090 so it dies an early death and you have a good excuse to get the 5090.
Or here’s a money saving idea. Turn PT off and enjoy your 4090. It will still excel at RT and Raster.
 

CP5670

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I generally buy new cards that have a big improvement like the last two generations were, and sell my existing card before the value drops too much. In Cyberpunk PT just looks a bit different from RT, not necessarily better, and is definitely not worth the performance hit. Aside from PT, it's pretty hard to stress the 4090 at 4K. Some games do slow down but it's almost always due to a single thread CPU bottleneck.
 
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