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That is some smart upgrading.

I actually ended up with the 7800X3D system because I delayed jumping on the $270.00 5800X3D deal, figuring it would come back, nope, 5800X3D's crept back up to ~$350+; then Newegg had 7800X3D's for $349.99 in Oct 2023 with the bundle and save promo.

After too much cross shopping, it was just a better deal to order from Newegg than hassle the round trip drive to Micro Center for their 7800X3D combo.

It made more sense long run to spend ~$550 for X3D AM5 than $350+ for the 5800X3D.

Was that ASUS kit a one time MC thing?
How far away from you is it?

I picked up a used 5600X3D for $200 shipped on another forum. And a NIB 5800X3D for $210 shipped from one of the excellent members here. Both were swap and go. No new boards, ram, OS license or installs. 2 of my systems are mini-ITX so replacing them with AM5 would either be another $200+ each or settling for A620 (no thanks) If I upgrade I want all the new standards not just the future CPU capable socket.

I play with frame caps, so a 7800X3D would be virtually indistinguishable from a 5800X3D. Bigger bar better alone does not define my gaming needs. I will probably upgrade to Zen 5 3D when everyone is selling it off and upgrading to Zen 6 3D.
 

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How far away from you is it?

I picked up a used 5600X3D for $200 shipped on another forum. And a NIB 5800X3D for $210 shipped from one of the excellent members here. Both were swap and go. No new boards, ram, OS license or installs. 2 of my systems are mini-ITX so replacing them with AM5 would either be another $200+ each or settling for A620 (no thanks) If I upgrade I want all the new standards not just the future CPU capable socket.

I play with frame caps, so a 7800X3D would be virtually indistinguishable from a 5800X3D. Bigger bar better alone does not define my gaming needs. I will probably upgrade to Zen 5 3D when everyone is selling it off and upgrading to Zen 6 3D.

Caveat, I wanted a 5800X3D but never *needed* one

MC is a solid hour drive from me one way; BUT, the issue in Oct 2023 was the 7800X3D was $350 (and MC price of 5800X3D was ~$310 maybe?) and they had no inexpensive B650 boards in stock at that moment.

It was going to be more expensive in time AND product than just ordering the 7800X3D bundle from Newegg.

Here is the Reddit B&H $270 sale thread for historical reference; 5800X3D was cheap for a while, I didn't need it need it, thought it would drop to $250 at some point, but the price started going back up!


RE: Used 5800X3D

I did search the forum here, check locally on Craigslist and FB Marketplace, every 5800X3D option was over $300; the market went haywire for it after the $270 deal sold out and the next stock replenishment of the CPU was back to being about the same price as 7800X3D.

I know it was still a good deal for $300, but the AM5 DDR5 gains felt worth it if I could get a nice inexpensive board and some inexpensive DDR5; all the testing and benchmarks of the 7800X3D really sold me on it, lol; and I really did not want to lose the capability of the 5900X to straight replace it with a 5800X3D.

I knew I was going to go AM5 at some point too, was trying really hard to wait for 9800X3D; but then the 7800X3D dropped price quicker than I expected

I also cap FPS, so I get .1% mins that are almost the same as Avg and 1% fps, these X3D chips are crazy good.
 

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An hour away and you did not wait for what you wanted to be in stock? You sir are spoiled rotten and don't know it. 🤣 I'd be there just to roam the aisles at least once a month.

On topic: This 5600X3D has become my favorite CPU ever. It's is exceedingly rare in the scheme of things, and does a great job paired with a Hellhound 7800XTX at the moment. One of my 5800X3Ds is with a 7900XTX, the other with ARC A750 LE. The ARC will hopefully get replaced with Battle Mage for the holidays and go back in the box to stay in my collection.
 

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An hour away and you did not wait for what you wanted to be in stock? You sir are spoiled rotten and don't know it. 🤣 I'd be there just to roam the aisles at least once a month.

On topic: This 5600X3D has become my favorite CPU ever. It's is exceedingly rare in the scheme of things, and does a great job paired with a Hellhound 7800XTX at the moment. One of my 5800X3Ds is with a 7900XTX, the other with ARC A750 LE. The ARC will hopefully get replaced with Battle Mage for the holidays and go back in the box to stay in my collection.

LOL, it gets worse; Madison Heights is closest at an hour away, Mayfield Heights is 1.5 hours, Columbus is ~2.5 hours and I could do Indianapolis if I really wanted

I was being good and actively avoiding MC after plunking down for the 3090 FE at MSRP during the great rip off; I did go to MC to get the 5900X a few months after it released.

RE: B650 board in stock at MC; even now, the closest store to their warehouse, Columbus, OH does not carry any lower end (under $150 with 4 RAM slots) AsRock B650 boards; the board I got was $115 after the discounts from Newegg.

ITT: first world pc hardware "problems"

On topic: I wish the 5600X3D was a wider release, didn't need one so I did not make the trip to get one; very happy with the 5700X3D, but I have not played with it a lot yet.
 
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B-Riz

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An hour away and you did not wait for what you wanted to be in stock? You sir are spoiled rotten and don't know it. 🤣 I'd be there just to roam the aisles at least once a month.

On topic: This 5600X3D has become my favorite CPU ever. It's is exceedingly rare in the scheme of things, and does a great job paired with a Hellhound 7800XTX at the moment. One of my 5800X3Ds is with a 7900XTX, the other with ARC A750 LE. The ARC will hopefully get replaced with Battle Mage for the holidays and go back in the box to stay in my collection.

Dang your dig about being an hour away!

I keep recklessly eyeballing their 5800X3D budget banger!

 
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Folks, don't forget that the U.S. is just the tip of the iceberg here...
You already get the best deals if you live in the U.S., while the rest of the world usually gets the crumbs.

Here in Canada, for instance, we're excited now to be able to buy cheap 5700X3D CPUs from Aliexpress for something like US$160. And don't get me started on the price of new AM5 motherboards....

With the economy being the way it is all across the globe and the enormous pool of available AM4 products still growing, even if the socket got officially discontinued today, it would have accumulated enough momentum for another couple of years. The insane value of the new chips means people will be able to keep their computers longer, thanks to a simple BIOS update.

I would imagine most of the developing world is still running on Zen 2 right now. They will be really happy to step up to the Zen 3 chips in 2026 at serious sale prices, once the Western markets will finally begin to deprecate AM4.
 
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Folks, don't forget that the U.S. is just the tip of the iceberg here...
You already get the best deals if you live in the U.S., while the rest of the world usually gets the crumbs.

Here in Canada, for instance, we're excited now to be able to buy cheap 5700X3D CPUs from Aliexpress for something like US$160. And don't get me started on the price of new AM5 motherboards....

With the economy being the way it is all across the globe and the enormous pool of available AM4 products still growing, even if the socket got officially discontinued today, it would have accumulated enough momentum for another couple of years. The insane value of the new chips means people will be able to keep their computers longer, thanks to a simple BIOS update.

I would imagine most of the developing world is still running on Zen 2 right now. They will be really happy to step up to the Zen 3 chips in 2026 at serious sale prices, once the Western markets will finally move away from AM4.

I 100% agree with you, and I think the 5700X3D / AM4 setup will be the new baseline performance gaming standard going forward for many years.
 

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AMDumb strikes again.

They announce the 5800XT and compare it against a 13600kf using a RX 6600 and show it edging the Intel CPU out in games. WTF M8? 🤣 Do they have an internal contest with prizes for whomever can troll the press and public the hardest?
 

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AMDumb strikes again.

They announce the 5800XT and compare it against a 13600kf using a RX 6600 and show it edging the Intel CPU out in games. WTF M8? 🤣 Do they have an internal contest with prizes for whomever can troll the press and public the hardest?

Did you see that on the Hardware Unboxed video? Stupidity at its best.
 

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AMDumb strikes again.

They announce the 5800XT and compare it against a 13600kf using a RX 6600 and show it edging the Intel CPU out in games. WTF M8? 🤣 Do they have an internal contest with prizes for whomever can troll the press and public the hardest?

Granted the settings are weird, but then Hardware Unboxed goes to the other extremity by using a 4090 as GPU to compare those CPUs and ignoring Nvidia s huge driver overhead, had they used a 7800XT or a 7900XT that the results would be much differrent, they just dont look at actually existing plateforms, as if the gap with the 4090 whould be unchanged with mainstream dGPUs.

Beside, who is going to pair a 4090 with a 5800XT/5900XT given that it require something like a 7800X3D to be fully loaded..?.
 

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Weird?! They are deceiving the public.

Slide title says it clearly: High-end Performance for Gamers and Creators. There's no high end performance with an RX 6600, they are lying.

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That s exagerated from their part, but no worse than Intel who once did a comparison with their dual channel plateform against an AMD one that was gimped with a single channel.

That being said they should have used a 7800XT, results would be comparable and this would had provided an additional advertisement for their GPU.
 

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Did you see that on the Hardware Unboxed video? Stupidity at its best.
The only pretzel logic I could conjure from my pea brain, to explain this bizarre marketing, is they are trying the old "there is no such thing as bad publicity." tactic. No one cares about a clock bumped vanilla Zen 3 CPU. They managed to get us talking about. LOLZ I guess this one gets filed under "Task failed successfully!"
 

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That s exagerated from their part, but no worse than Intel who once did a comparison with their dual channel plateform against an AMD one that was gimped with a single channel.

That being said they should have used a 7800XT, results would be comparable and this would had provided an additional advertisement for their GPU.
You lost me the second you invoked whataboutism. This is 100% the product of the infamous AMDumb™ Marketing division.
 

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You lost me the second you invoked whataboutism. This is 100% the product of the infamous AMDumb™ Marketing division.

I said hat it was exgagerated, actually they lost the occasion to advertise the fact that their GPUs do not need the latest CPUs, had they used a 7800XT that they could had get comparable results with the 5900XT eventually slighly behind, that would had been made a much better global advertisement for both AMD CPU and GPUs.
 

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HUB Steve wins via brutality. He eviscerates the Zen 3 benchmark shenanigans.


In his 6 games average the 13600K is about 12% faster than the 5800X/5950X, and that s with a 7900XT GPU, with a 7800XT this difference would be halved if not nullified, too bad he didnt use this GPU since that s the most sold among AMD s line up and is more likely to be acquired by a Zen 3 user than the hefty 7900XT, i mean whom can buy this 700€ GPU has certainly the necessary pockets to go AM5 instead.
 
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Look at that i3 12100 in Party Animals, holdin steady with a 13600k at 100/127fps.

Either way, more silly benchmarks from manufacturers.
 

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Here is the written version. My credentials probably wouldn't get me a job cleaning toilets at AMD headquarters yet even I can spot marketing blunders nearly every time they do a product launch or pricing announcement. How do highly paid executives, with marketing degrees and years of industry experience, continue stepping on rakes and not lose their jobs for this kind of garbage? Leave it to the marketing department to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 

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AMD should have just compared 5800XT to 14400F in games (with RX 7900 XT), because that's where they would probably tie, since 14400F is still alder lake.


Another blunder is that they set its price to 250 dollars - so it costs 55% more than 5700X, for 4% increase in clock speed. What the hell were they thinking. Even if you take out the included cooler price (since 5700X doesn't have it), there's no reason to get it.
 
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AMD should have just compared 5800XT to 14400F in games (with RX 7900 XT), because that's where they would probably tie, since 14400F is still alder lake.
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Their target audience is/should be people with AM4 motherboards - they should have compared with their own Zen1 and Zen2.

If they are targeting low cost new builds, then they should talk about prices.

It is a marketing shambles.
 

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If they are targeting low cost new builds, then they should talk about prices.

It is a marketing shambles.

It is just silly. The 5700X3D is $200 USD now. I'm debating selling my 3700x and older Ryzen chips to get one plus maybe a 5700g for a home server. I'd take the 3D chip for $50 less for better overall gaming performance.
 
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