Discussion NV Re-Enter ARM PC market in 2025!

SpudLobby · Jun 20, 2024

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Doug S said:
True enough, Qualcomm and Microsoft seem to have completely bungled the much hyped launch. That isn't enough to kill WoA but it has dealt it a major blow. If Microsoft can't fix the issues on their end (like Prism) none of it will matter, because there isn't any incentive for developers (especially of lower level stuff like drivers or AV software) to port to ARM regardless of how many clueless fools want to claim that will be 50% of the Windows PC market in five years.

I think a much overlooked factor of Rosetta 2's success is how long Apple was preparing for it - and how much experience / institutional knowledge they had from the previous PPC to x86 migration (I don't count the 68K to PPC migration because that was so long ago, and it was before they were using their modern Mach/BSD based OS)

Yeah, I think Rosetta had a lot of effort go into it, and on top of that obviously once Apple switched developers were going to be onboard by fiat, unless their replacement were inferior. They didn’t even need an M1 moment, an A13x moment alone would’ve been enough to get them over the hump, because of the power draw in practice and idle stuff, media engine goodies etc.

lightisgood · Jun 20, 2024

Doug S said:
I think a much overlooked factor of Rosetta 2's success is how long Apple was preparing for it - and how much experience / institutional knowledge they had from the previous PPC to x86 migration (I don't count the 68K to PPC migration because that was so long ago, and it was before they were using their modern Mach/BSD based OS)

In addition, Apple's products are proprietary.
Even if customers had any dissatisfaction, they unwillingly migrated from Intel mac to M1 mac.
As you can see, Today's Mac Pro only has 192GB memory (c.f. Mac Pro 2019 with 1.5TB memory).

Doug S · Jun 20, 2024

lightisgood said:
In addition, Apple's products are proprietary.
Even if customers had any dissatisfaction, they unwillingly migrated from Intel mac to M1 mac.
As you can see, Today's Mac Pro only has 192GB memory (c.f. Mac Pro 2019 with 1.5TB memory).

"Unwillingly"

If customers had any dissatisfaction, particularly the type who wanted a Mac Pro with 1.5 TB, they have Windows, Linux, Solaris and AIX out there as alternatives. No one put a gun to their head and forced them to a buy an ARM Mac. Indeed, every one of the Mac users I know have had nothing but good things to say about the switch.

lightisgood · Jun 20, 2024

Doug S said:
"Unwillingly"

If customers had any dissatisfaction, particularly the type who wanted a Mac Pro with 1.5 TB, they have Windows, Linux, Solaris and AIX out there as alternatives. No one put a gun to their head and forced them to a buy an ARM Mac. Indeed, every one of the Mac users I know have had nothing but good things to say about the switch.

I surely said that "Even if"...

Anyway, you are saying, so that we can reject a hard-pillow of incompatible windows arm pc more easily and buy the our really right-hand of windows x86 pc.

Doug S · Jun 21, 2024

lightisgood said:
Anyway, you are saying, so that we can reject a hard-pillow of incompatible windows arm pc more easily and buy the our really right-hand of windows x86 pc.

I think anyone who wants to run Windows would be stupid to buy anything other than x86 today. Elite X doesn't appear to be a bad CPU, but to overcome the hassles of translation, software issues, etc. it needs to be an absolute slam dunk win over x86 to make sense and it clearly is not.

Maybe X2, or the great white hope of Nvidia people are dreaming about here will change that tomorrow, but as of today anyone buying an ARM PC thinking they are getting a better product than an x86 PC is mainlining hopium or denying reality.

NTMBK · Jun 21, 2024

Thibsie said:
Wait for Nvidia buying Mediatek, lol

Nah, I don't see Nvidia doing that. It would massively tank their average selling prices, because they're suddenly selling millions of low end SoCs with razor thin margins.

Much better to keep it at arm's length- license the GPU IP to Mediatek, and let them handle the messy business of actually selling consumer parts. Nvidia looks good on their balance sheet, Mediatek gets better tech, they're both happy.

igor_kavinski · Jun 21, 2024

Doug S said:
Indeed, every one of the Mac users I know have had nothing but good things to say about the switch.

And none of them is a previous user of the 1.5TB Mac Pro, I suppose?

igor_kavinski · Jun 21, 2024

NTMBK said:
because they're suddenly selling millions of low end SoCs with razor thin margins.

They will hike the prices obviously, put new software lipstick on the *worst animal from your imagination* and hype the hell out of it.

poke01 · Jun 21, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
They will hike the prices obviously, put new software lipstick on the *worst animal from your imagination* and hype the hell out of it.

So like any other company, lol.

At least the GPU bit is known to be good. The CPU for this mediatek chip is the big question.

FlameTail · Jun 21, 2024

poke01 said:
So like any other company, lol.

At least the GPU bit is known to be good. The CPU for this mediatek chip is the big question.

Cortex X925 with 64 MB of L3

igor_kavinski · Jun 21, 2024

poke01 said:
So like any other company, lol.

Not really. Nvidia is in the same league as Apple. They pretend like their crap is covered in gold flakes.

Doug S · Jun 21, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
And none of them is a previous user of the 1.5TB Mac Pro, I suppose?

One has a Mac Pro, but with the base RAM. People who need 1.5 TB are extremely rare.

poke01 · Jun 21, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
Not really. Nvidia is in the same league as Apple. They pretend like their crap is covered in gold flakes.

The RTX tax is worth it to some especially for people who make money of these cards.

Thibsie · Jun 22, 2024

poke01 said:
The RTX tax is worth it to some especially for people who make money of these cards.

Not really the RTX tax, the Nvidia tax. C'mon, Nvidia didn't suddenly became how they are now because of RTX.

igor_kavinski · Jun 22, 2024

Thibsie said:
C'mon, Nvidia didn't suddenly became how they are now because of RTX.

Anyone remember Dawn? When they couldn't compete in competency, they resorted to digital demos and images of what nerd dreams are made of.

At least ATI's Ruby was more respectable looking and badass.

FlameTail · Jun 22, 2024

Will the Nvidia SoC's GPU be based on Lovelace or BlackWell?

poke01 · Jun 22, 2024

FlameTail said:
Will the Nvidia SoC's GPU be based on Lovelace or BlackWell?

If it’s late 2025 then it would be Blackwell.

FlameTail · Jun 22, 2024

poke01 said:
If it’s late 2025 then it would be Blackwell.

It's early 2035 supposedly

Edit: Typo- 2025.

Kepler_L2 · Jun 22, 2024

FlameTail said:
It's early 2035 supposedly

A 10 year delay? NVIDIA execution has seen better days.

FlameTail · Jun 25, 2024

So @adroc_thurston is saying that Nvidia will make a Strix-Halo like SoC next year?

Post in thread 'Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)' http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41238649

Ghostsonplanets · Jun 25, 2024

FlameTail said:
So @adroc_thurston is saying that Nvidia will make a Strix-Halo like SoC next year?

Post in thread 'Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)' http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...ranite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/post-41238649

It's not supposed to be a small, QCOM sized, iGPU, yes.

It should be bigger than Switch 2 iGPU.

FlameTail · Jun 25, 2024

Ghostsonplanets said:
It's not supposed to be a small, QCOM sized, iGPU, yes.

It should be bigger than Switch 2 iGPU.

How strong would that be?

Relative to something like Radeoj 780M?

Ghostsonplanets · Jun 25, 2024

FlameTail said:
How strong would that be?

Relative to something like Radeoj 780M?

Switch 2 iGPU is 12 SMs with 12 RT Cores and 48 Tensor Cores, 1536 CUDA Cores/ALUs.

Nvidia iGP is supposed to be much bigger than this.

Radeon 780M is 768 ALUs/1536 with dual-issue. But much higher clocked. Faster than Switch 2 but should be slower than Nvidia WoA SoC.

FlameTail · Jun 25, 2024

Well, Qualcomm should be shaking in their boots now.

poke01 · Jun 25, 2024

Even with 32GB of RAM on the Nvidia SoC people would be interested.

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