Bump Stock Ban is in Effect

[DHT]Osiris · Jun 18, 2024

Zorba said:
The second amendment does not grant unlimited access to arms. Even today you can't buy automatic guns, artillery, tanks, bombs, etc. How is banning those items not an infringement but limiting bump stocks or the number of shots a gun can hold an unconstitutional curtailment of rights?

It technically is, we've just collectively given up that right.

You can argue back and forth if you want about what things we should be allowed to have but it's very clear from the founders' and 2A writers' notes on the matter that the intent of the 2A is to prevent the govt from keeping peer-level weaponry from the citizens of the country. Yes, this strains credulity in the present day but the reasons for why are no less relevant today than when it was written.

Based on the intent and the letter, we should probably have unfettered access to literally anything that can be developed.

Now, should we as a people agree to permit to govt to restrict ownership of some things? That's a personal question and one that we've seemingly reached an accord on, with many things. We've definitely not reached an accord on a few remaining things, such as semi automatic long arms.

Moonbeam · Jun 18, 2024

[DHT]Osiris said:
No, it is hard to regulate guns when one group of people can prevent it. For my own sake, I don't think they should be, beyond a certain point, but that's not the issue here. You (and many others) want to curtail a constitutional right, and give the govt permission to restrict it, without amending the Constitution. That's a terrible precedent.

The issue isn't that guns are hard to regulate but that liberals who want to ban them completely make it impossible for sensible people to negotiate compromises that both sides would otherwise be able to reach. Liberals are the primary reason gun legislation is hard to pass. They made it possible for gun merchants to continue to innovate a civilian arms race and for politicians to use the gun issue to drive wedges between groups by creating a fear that all guns will be taken away. Now there are only two types of people, gun haters and gun nuts

Moonbeam · Jun 19, 2024

HomerJS said:
We didn't legalize bump stocks. We just failed via federal legislation to make them illegal which is what Trump should have done.

I'll re ask, WHY did we ban automatic weapons?

I owe you and answer but just because you ask a question does not mean that you posses the fundamental facts from which an answer will make sense. But my guess would be hysteria. Machine gun killings, Hollywood and news papers etc. endless stimulation of the Amygdala, creates both romanticism and terror of such weapons in the news. The simple minded solution was to ban them to solve the issue. Simple can be quite OK until it's not. The important thing is that the laws were passed and put in practice.

What remains invisible is that the desire to use automatic weapons or any weapon has its origin in self hate and nothing is ever done about that. And just as nations strive to be at the bleeding edge of National Offense so too do people want to own the best weapons and so innovation in guns continues. The rich even hire body guard protection. If you are ever in a live shooting event you will want to have a machine gun to defend yourself if all else fails.

FelixDeCat · Jun 19, 2024

HomerJS said:
We didn't legalize bump stocks. We just failed via federal legislation to make them illegal which is what Trump should have done.

I'll re ask, WHY did we ban automatic weapons?

We banned them because gangsters used them during prohibition and most cops only carried pea shooters.

My question is why did we ban short barrels?

And bump stocks or those things that modify glocks make accuracy go out the window.

Meghan54 · Jun 19, 2024

pcgeek11 said:
Try and control a Thompson on full automatic. They are fun to shoot, but waste an extreme amount of ammunition.

We used to carry them on the boats.

Different weapon vs an M-16, right? And given enuf practice, it can be controlled. Just because your pansy ass couldn’t doesn’t mean it can’t be controlled.

Meghan54 · Jun 19, 2024

FelixDeCat said:
We banned them because gangsters used them during prohibition and most cops only carried pea shooters.

My question is why did we ban short barrels?

And bump stocks or those things that modify glocks make accuracy go out the window.

Short barrels are much more easily hidden under clothing…duh.

kage69 · Jun 19, 2024

FelixDeCat said:
We banned them because gangsters used them during prohibition and most cops only carried pea shooters.

My question is why did we ban short barrels?

And bump stocks or those things that modify glocks make accuracy go out the window.

You don't have any experience with firearms, do you?

sdifox · Jun 19, 2024

kage69 said:
You don't have any experience with firearms, do you?

Thought he likes to lob grenades into tunnels?

Hail The Brain Slug · Jun 19, 2024

FelixDeCat said:
We banned them because gangsters used them during prohibition and most cops only carried pea shooters.

My question is why did we ban short barrels?

And bump stocks or those things that modify glocks make accuracy go out the window.

Gangsters preferred handguns because they could conceal them. Handguns were banned, so gangsters started sawing barrels off of otherwise legal long guns so they could still be concealed.

The handgun ban was repealed. For no apparent reason the short barrel rifle ban was not.

pcgeek11 · Jun 19, 2024

Meghan54 said:
Different weapon vs an M-16, right? And given enuf practice, it can be controlled. Just because your pansy ass couldn’t doesn’t mean it can’t be controlled.

I didn't say it couldn't be controlled now did I?

I've gone through many thousands of rounds with a Thompson...

nakedfrog · Jun 19, 2024

sdifox said:
Thought he likes to lob grenades into tunnels?

Nah, that was taj.

eelw · Jun 21, 2024

First SCOTUS decision dropped. Upholding ban to forbid domestic abuser from having a gun. Cant wait to see why Thomas was the only dissent

Edit. Loollllllll he’s attempting to defend black people. Many blacks falsely accused of domestic violence will be banned from owning guns.

Edit 2 doh. Roberts in the ruling. “2A rights aren’t locked in amber”. This basically saying they can’t restrict to only muskets when 2A was written.

brycejones · Jun 21, 2024

eelw said:
First SCOTUS decision dropped. Upholding ban to forbid domestic abuser from having a gun. Cant wait to see why Thomas was the only dissent

Edit. Loollllllll he’s attempting to defend black people. Many blacks falsely accused of domestic violence will be banned from owning guns.

Edit 2 doh. Roberts in the ruling. “2A rights aren’t locked in amber”. This basically saying they can’t restrict to only muskets when 2A was written.

This court is rapidly looking for ways to ditch originalism. Pure Calvin ball with no fig leaf on the way.

fskimospy · Jun 21, 2024

eelw said:
First SCOTUS decision dropped. Upholding ban to forbid domestic abuser from having a gun. Cant wait to see why Thomas was the only dissent

Edit. Loollllllll he’s attempting to defend black people. Many blacks falsely accused of domestic violence will be banned from owning guns.

Edit 2 doh. Roberts in the ruling. “2A rights aren’t locked in amber”. This basically saying they can’t restrict to only muskets when 2A was written.

Popehat covers this pretty well. Thomas is right if you believe Bruen is the right reading of the Constitution. The problem here is that leads to an utterly insane result because Bruen was always a stupid decision.

https://www.threads.net/@kenpopehat/post/C8ezRoEp5Qq

Dave_5k · Jun 21, 2024

fskimospy said:
Popehat covers this pretty well. Thomas is right if you believe Bruen is the right reading of the Constitution. The problem here is that leads to an utterly insane result because Bruen was always a stupid decision.

https://www.threads.net/@kenpopehat/post/C8ezRoEp5Qq

Duh, who could've thunk that Bruen was a totally insane ruling ~ but for the justices, only insane in how it easily and immediately resulted in exposing to scrutiny their ongoing Calvinball rulings far too clearly to the public.

pcgeek11 · Jun 21, 2024

Great ruling IMO. Domestic Abusers and people that show a clear danger to others should not be allowed to own or possess firearms of any type.

Moonbeam · Jun 21, 2024

pcgeek11 said:
Great ruling IMO. Domestic Abusers and people that show a clear danger to others should not be allowed to own or possess firearms of any type.

Meanwhile, I think I would sleep better than I already do, if such a thing is possible, having you as a neighbor with a garage full of machine guns and a tank. So many here in my opinion are such poor judges of character.

iRONic · Jun 21, 2024

pcgeek11 said:
Great ruling IMO. Domestic Abusers and people that show a clear danger to others should not be allowed to own or possess firearms of any type.

Shitlol

Captain Obvious enters the thread.

HomerJS · Jun 21, 2024

Another reason to vote Democrat. If Trump gets in he will appoint more judges like Thomas

pcgeek11 · Jun 21, 2024

Moonbeam said:
Meanwhile, I think I would sleep better than I already do, if such a thing is possible, having you as a neighbor with a garage full of machine guns and a tank. So many here in my opinion are such poor judges of character.

I have no idea why you think I have a garage full of machine guns and a tank.

Indus · Jun 21, 2024

pcgeek11 said:
I have no idea why you think I have a garage full of machine guns and a tank.

Can I borrow some ATACMS?

Leeea · Jun 21, 2024

Moonbeam said:
Meanwhile, I think I would sleep better than I already do, if such a thing is possible, having you as a neighbor with a garage full of machine guns and a tank. So many here in my opinion are such poor judges of character.

What makes you think such a thing is not possible?

I assure you all my paperwork is in order.

My tanks main gun is registered as a destructive device with the ATF, along with each round of ammunition for it. Yes, that is correct, $200 for the cannon, and $200 each for each round, along with a individual background check, a 1 year waiting period, and a notification to municipal, county, and state authorities for each round. Technically the paperwork is called "stamps", but typically it is only attached to each shell via a electrical tie in a plastic bag.

Yes, the tanks machine guns are also appropriately registered. Ironically, the tank itself does not need to be.

Why are you all looking at me like that? I have my Type 10 Federal Firearms License.

Anyway, the tank is boring, check out my Hawk missile system! Took me forever to acquire all the components! Yea, its not cool like the NASAMS system the Hawk became, but it all should work . . . and I only needed stamps for the missiles. Still working out paperwork with the FAA, so no test launches yet. The FAA apparently feels they could be a "Hazard". Pfffft. Whats the worst that could happen?

MrSquished · Jun 21, 2024

pcgeek11 said:
I have no idea why you think I have a garage full of machine guns and a tank.

he was not being literal. he is slipping in some commentary on gun control for his debates on that subject.

Moonbeam · Saturday at 1:51 AM

pcgeek11 said:
I have no idea why you think I have a garage full of machine guns and a tank.

When I said, 'if such a thing is possible' I really meant it is not. I meant I can't sleep better than I already do and also that if you did own such a garage and were my neighbor I would not worry or lose any sleep because I see you as having deep principles including no inclination or interest in shooting people no matter what arms you might possess. To me that is on the level of the obvious and I can't understand why other people don't see it. Well, I take that part back. I do understand. People project. Your problem, in my opinion, is that you confuse the value of your principles, the value being absolutely real, with junk we were all programmed as children to believe. The drive for human decency is innate but easily mislead. If you lose all of your beliefs you will not lose that gem within. You will just remember it for the first time in ages. That is my opinion.

Moonbeam · Saturday at 3:17 AM

Leeea said:
Whats the worst that could happen?

Exactly! Fear of tomorrow is an amnesic projection of the fact that our worst fears have already happened. Our fears are of memories awakening. Fear is flight and denial, panic arising out of a desire to escape, fear there is no exit. And there is. It's permission for a wounded child to feel what it really feels. When the tears of grief flow the healing begins. The goddess is your true self.

Do not trouble yourself about being angry or wanting to hurt me. I am like the Rock Monster in the NeverEnding Story. I once had such big strong hands.

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