Meh, Strix is still kinda big for a mobile APU with 225mm². They wouldn't have done a 300mm² one even with competition.Unfortunately, AMD is targeting incremental improvements and saving on die space because there's NO competition!
Sure, but the Snapdragon X Elite was only just released in store on 18 June. I.e. the release dates are not that far apart. So it should be possible to roughly compare number of announced models.I think the sensible conclusion is that you're comparing a product that hasn't launched yet to a product that has launched l, and maybe realise that's why you can get Snapdragon now and you can't get strix point.
Ah. Trying to predict x86's demise from the number of announced models. Sure, that will work just great.So it should be possible to roughly compare number of announced models.
I’m not. I simply asked what possible reasons there could be for number of announced Snapdragon X Elite models being higher. And it was not I who initially made the observation about the difference in number of announced models either. So chill.Ah. Trying to predict x86's demise from the number of announced models. Sure, that will work just great.
I dunno chief. I see zero zen 6 laptops on preorder and I see zero of Nvidia arm CPU laptops on order. Probably a bad look for their share growth forecasts.Sure, but the Snapdragon X Elite was only just released in store on 18 June. I.e. the release dates are not that far apart. So it should be possible to roughly compare number of announced models.
Yes, that will of course explain a part of it. But there could be other explanations too. Just as an example, it could e.g. be because Qualcomm is pricing the Snapdragon X Elite really low to get it into more laptop models, since Windows on Arm is a new unproven kid on the block to a lot of users, so they have to dump the price to grab market share.I dunno chief. I see zero zen 6 laptops on preorder and I see zero of Nvidia arm CPU laptops on order. Probably a bad look for their share growth forecasts.
Seriously though, the launch dates are close but one isn't out yet. It's obvious you're gonna see fewer models on the unlaunched model. I had to write that sentence.
Could also be they want to ride on the Copilot+ hypetrain.Yes, that will of course explain a part of it. But there could be other explanations too. Just as an example, it could e.g. be because Qualcomm is pricing the Snapdragon X Elite really low to get it into more laptop models, since Windows on Arm is a new unproven kid on the block to a lot of users, so they have to dump the price to grab market share.
..... or Microsofts relentless drive to make WoA a thing and twisting the arm of every OEM to make models or else?Yes, that will of course explain a part of it. But there could be other explanations too. Just as an example, it could e.g. be because Qualcomm is pricing the Snapdragon X Elite really low to get it into more laptop models, since Windows on Arm is a new unproven kid on the block to a lot of users, so they have to dump the price to grab market share.
We have reasons to believe both MS and QC threw money at OEMs to make the X Elite launch possible (at this scale).I simply asked what possible reasons there could be for number of announced Snapdragon X Elite models being higher.
They way I understand it, you can get two clusters to work on 1 thread, but there has to be a branch happening in that cycle for the second decoder to get employed (and there is the belief that there's a branch in x86 code every 6 instructions on average).Or cluster decoding is not the best solution for a single thread. However, this is the best solution for hyper-threading (SMT), similar to the Gracemont-Skymont concept.
Epyc is a priority for AMD, so Zen 5 is also a project with more Epyc in mind.
AMD always gets cold shoulder, apparently OEMs will jump with bags of money on everyone else.I’m not. I simply asked what possible reasons there could be for number of announced Snapdragon X Elite models being higher. And it was not I who initially made the observation about the difference in number of announced models either. So chill.
Not having on-package memory?? This will lead to huge board sizes.AMD testing "Strix Halo" APU with 128GB memory config | VideoCardz.com
AMD Ryzen 400, Leak AMD Strix Halo with 128GB memory set to compete with Apple M-Ultra? Large memory capacity enabling new frontiers for powerful APUs. The Strix Halo series,videocardz.com
Strix Halo with 128GB of RAM would be able to slot nicely into the Mobile ML Dataset R&D Mobile Station niche. I'm starting to see it the appeal beyond Gaming Laptops.
One of Halo bullet points was that OEMs can shed off the Discrete GPUs platform costs with a single solution. There should be one or two gaming designs from ASUS to be presented at CES next year.Not having on-package memory?? This will lead to huge board sizes.
This was never meant for gaming, it will target >$2000.
A Zephyrus G14 with Strix Halo and 64GB would be pretty slick. I'd be tempted.One of Halo bullet points was that OEMs can shed off the Discrete GPUs platform costs with a single solution. There should be one or two gaming designs from ASUS to be presented at CES next year.
What ”or else” are you suggesting Microsoft could apply?..... or Microsofts relentless drive to make WoA a thing and twisting the arm of every OEM to make models or else?
It was a bit of hyperbole. I imagine it's a bit of a "You're gonna make WoA Copilot+ PCs to be part of this new thing we're definitely 100% going to force into existence or be left out of the market boom we're artificially creating".What ”or else” are you suggesting Microsoft could apply?
That's how Tremont clustered decode works. However, since Gracemont (2021) the routing can be actively load balanced.They way I understand it, you can get two clusters to work on 1 thread, but there has to be a branch happening in that cycle for the second decoder to get employed
Shedding off dGPU cost but having no "green RTX sticker" on a $2k G4M1NG laptop? NahOn of Halo bullet points was that OEMs can shed off the Discrete GPUs platform costs with a single solution. There should be one or two gaming designs from ASUS to be presented at CES next year.
Exactly, I know some will say but green is not needed any more but for most gamers it’s important.Shedding off dGPU cost but having no "green RTX sticker" on a $2k G4M1NG laptop? Nah
AMD will make larger APUs.Meh, Strix is still kinda big for a mobile APU with 225mm². They wouldn't have done a 300mm² one even with competition.
Branding is nothing, all that matters is performance and cost. Nobody buys X3D chips because they have a cooler model number, they buy em because they're faster. Strix Halo definitely isn't going to dethrone Nvidia. On paper it should be a bit faster than a 4070m, 36 SM vs 40 CU, but still way under flagship GPUs. So the people buying $2000 laptops with monster dGPUs are not the target market.You would have live and breathe AMD’s bubble to believe that RTX branding isn’t important to the majority of PC gamers. Just like how Ryzen X3D brand is the de facto for gaming CPUs now.
That’s the bubble we live in. the majority buy on branding. Most gamers look for the Ryzen and RTX sticker.Branding is nothing, all that matters is performance and cost. Nobody buys X3D chips because they have a cooler model number, they buy em because they're faster.
I hope it fails tbh. If in future the translation layer works well I could get behind it. Right now it feels like using some newer features (copilot) to bamboozle customers into accepting no legacy compatibility. I doubt that's the intention, but that's what's happening and I hope it crashes and burns.Qualcomm/Microsoft are pushing the Copilot+ PC very hard. Just look at home page of Bestbuy.com site. Also in store as well they have prime real estate dedicated to the PC. Bestbuy is offering it for 24 months no interest for its credit card customers.
I am not sure AMD would be able to get something like that going. They have never done something like this. its like Wintel campaign in 90s.