Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

DisEnchantment · Sep 29, 2022

Speculate at will

igor_kavinski · Monday at 8:12 AM

poke01 said:
Over 9000!!!!!

Seriously, my prediction would be:

<4500 -
~4500 -
>4500 -
>5000 -
>6000 -

eek2121 · Monday at 8:15 AM

Those flashy new laptops tempt me, especially with the weight being around 4 lbs, but I must wait for Strix Halo.

The use of a 60hz OLED for the Pro Art is a curious decision. They made the excuse of it being a “pro” rather than a “gamer” device. Someone should tell them pros dislike flicker as well.

igor_kavinski · Monday at 8:18 AM

eek2121 said:
The use of a 60hz OLED for the Pro Art is a curious decision. They made the excuse of it being a “pro” rather than a “gamer” device. Someone should tell them pros dislike flicker as well.

It's an excuse. That way they can sell you two laptops, one for Pro use and one for gaming.

CakeMonster · Monday at 8:29 AM

Like non-pro iPhones and iPads being 60hz, they're just disrespecting us, and frankly disrespecting the rest of the hardware as well. If you want to replace a 2017 iPad Pro and don't really need anything much faster, you'll still have to go for the new Pro unless you want to go from 120 to 60hz. I'm sure there's some people getting two devices, but I think most of it is just trying to force an upsell by giving us annoyances on the basic models. Same goes with motherboards these days, you'll find very decent cheap ones, but they'll always lack one or two obvious features that any sane person would want.

CouncilorIrissa · Monday at 8:46 AM

There are even more.

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_002009218 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_002009218 with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00282220G - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00282220G with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [
4444,
4445,
4449,
4439,
4447,
4442,
4327,
4451,
4458,
4449,
4448,
4458,
4457,
4458,
4461,
4455,
4460,
4334,
4248,
4449,
4444,
4451,
4445,
4457,
4447,
4445,
4444,
4454,
4444,
4448,
4450,
4454,
4444,
4448,
4444,
4453,
4443,
4453,
4444,
4442,
4454,
4463,
4440,
4441,
4449
]
},

"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [
3928,
3948,
3990,
3988,
3990,
3988,
3992,
3996,
3975,
3984,
3778,
3982,
3977,
3969,
3990,
3981,
3985,
3981,
3973,
3981,
3986,
3989,
3991,
3987,
3967,
3937,
3971,
3925,
3930,
3954,
3944,
3936,
3942,
3929,
3942,
3942,
3959,
3947,
3945,
3945
]
},

The first run is pretty decent if it's actually run at 4.5

Clock reporting seems completely random. We've got:
A 2554 ST score @ 3.7 GHz
And two 2.8k-ish runs at 4.5 and 4.85 GHz.

coercitiv · Monday at 9:33 AM

eek2121 said:
The use of a 60hz OLED for the Pro Art is a curious decision. They made the excuse of it being a “pro” rather than a “gamer” device. Someone should tell them pros dislike flicker as well.

As someone who would technically be in the audience of Asus' Pro Art lineup, I couldn't agree more and would also add mouse accuracy to the list of reasons 60Hz should be gone from premium devices. Anyone heavily using the mouse in their workflow should know by now that a moderately fast screen (90Hz+) and a moderately fast mouse polling rate (500Hz+) do wonders for mouse accuracy and responsiveness.

I would not buy a modern laptop with less than 90Hz screen, no matter if OLED or IPS.

Jan Olšan · Monday at 9:41 AM

DisEnchantment said:
The gains seems tangible, looking to beat 7950X scores with Strix 5.1G but in the current context not great either.

I think based on David Huangs assessment, some unknowns wrt DT in terms of halved SIMD throughput
There is also the case of the reduced op cache, additionally the compiler patches indicated reduced FADD cycles but seems David is saying increased FADD latencies.

Just scaling the clock would put the GB6 DT scores of ~3500@5.7G without any contributions from the elimination of reduced SIMD throughput.

I think 5.1 GHz Strix could approach 3050 in David Huang's setup.

I got as high as 3030 in GB6 6.2 on a 7950X with DDR5-6000 memory (Windows 11, VBS/core isolation turned off for the benchmark), so that would have the 7950X already beat (or matched), but perhaps not if I was running Linux too.

Assuming +16% IPC for same-clock 9950X, that would just about push up score 3500 points in single-thread in Windows... of course, it may scale differently in reality.

Hitman928 · Monday at 9:58 AM

CouncilorIrissa said:
There are even more.

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_002009218 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_002009218 with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00282220G - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00282220G with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [
4444,
4445,
4449,
4439,
4447,
4442,
4327,
4451,
4458,
4449,
4448,
4458,
4457,
4458,
4461,
4455,
4460,
4334,
4248,
4449,
4444,
4451,
4445,
4457,
4447,
4445,
4444,
4454,
4444,
4448,
4450,
4454,
4444,
4448,
4444,
4453,
4443,
4453,
4444,
4442,
4454,
4463,
4440,
4441,
4449
]
},

"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [
3928,
3948,
3990,
3988,
3990,
3988,
3992,
3996,
3975,
3984,
3778,
3982,
3977,
3969,
3990,
3981,
3985,
3981,
3973,
3981,
3986,
3989,
3991,
3987,
3967,
3937,
3971,
3925,
3930,
3954,
3944,
3936,
3942,
3929,
3942,
3942,
3959,
3947,
3945,
3945
]
},

The first run is pretty decent if it's actually run at 4.5

Clock reporting seems completely random. We've got:
A 2554 ST score @ 3.7 GHz
And two 2.8k-ish runs at 4.5 and 4.85 GHz.

Those both would be ~3250 single core score at 5.1 GHz. So maybe some evidence that retail units perform a little better than the ES samples we've seen. Still waiting on the official release though.

CouncilorIrissa · Monday at 10:06 AM

Hitman928 said:
Those both would be ~3250 single core score at 5.1 GHz. So maybe some evidence that retail units perform a little better than the ES samples we've seen. Still waiting on the official release though.

Yes, these two runs are the first that look pretty good while remaining plausible.

DisEnchantment · Monday at 10:35 AM

CouncilorIrissa said:
There are even more.

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_002009218 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_002009218 with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00282220G - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00282220G with an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [
4444,
4445,
4449,
4439,
4447,
4442,
4327,
4451,
4458,
4449,
4448,
4458,
4457,
4458,
4461,
4455,
4460,
4334,
4248,
4449,
4444,
4451,
4445,
4457,
4447,
4445,
4444,
4454,
4444,
4448,
4450,
4454,
4444,
4448,
4444,
4453,
4443,
4453,
4444,
4442,
4454,
4463,
4440,
4441,
4449
]
},

"processor_frequency": {
"frequencies": [
3928,
3948,
3990,
3988,
3990,
3988,
3992,
3996,
3975,
3984,
3778,
3982,
3977,
3969,
3990,
3981,
3985,
3981,
3973,
3981,
3986,
3989,
3991,
3987,
3967,
3937,
3971,
3925,
3930,
3954,
3944,
3936,
3942,
3929,
3942,
3942,
3959,
3947,
3945,
3945
]
},

The first run is pretty decent if it's actually run at 4.5

Clock reporting seems completely random. We've got:
A 2554 ST score @ 3.7 GHz
And two 2.8k-ish runs at 4.5 and 4.85 GHz.

2554@3.7 --> 690/G -- https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6418984 / AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M / ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_00067221D
2833@4.5 --> 640/G -- https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6649830 / AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M / ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ProArt P16 H7606WI_H7606WI_002009218

2795@4.8 --> 582/G -- https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6648720 / AMD Eng Sample: 100-000000994-37_Y / ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00014511B
2558@3.9 --> 647/G -- https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6649857 / AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 170 w/ Radeon 880M / ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS Zenbook S 16 UM5606WA_UM5606WA_00282220G

Seems the newer platform numbers have settled around ~640 GB6 pts/GHz.

Until we get to actual availability we will be guessing for a bit

igor_kavinski · Monday at 11:32 AM

A benevolent ES sample user has allowed me to share some data.

Previous data I had:

	7950X	13900K	7975WX
AES	45+	55+	11+
FP32	39+	60+	-13
FP64	39+	60+	-16

Sample running at DDR5-8000 34-45-40-42.

These are percentage improvements.

And some updated screenshots with nothing running in background:

AES

FP32

FP64

techjunkie123 · Monday at 11:36 AM

Zen5 40% is back baby. Yet again.

tsamolotoff · Monday at 11:40 AM

igor_kavinski said:
A benevolent ES sample user

Above gflops score error can be fixed by just removing the checkbox in linx gui, then it'd run the next cycles (it's just a GUI limitaton, not real error)

CouncilorIrissa · Monday at 11:42 AM

igor_kavinski said:
A benevolent ES sample user has allowed me to share some data.

Previous data I had:

7950X
13900K
7975WX
AES
45+
55+
11+
FP32
39+
60+
-13
FP64
39+
60+
-16

Sample running at DDR5-8000 34-45-40-42.

These are percentage improvements.

And some updated screenshots with nothing running in background:

AES

View attachment 101788

FP32

View attachment 101789

FP64

View attachment 101792

Interesting, thanks for sharing.
Having some INT numbers would be even more interesting

igor_kavinski · Monday at 11:50 AM

tsamolotoff · Monday at 11:52 AM

Is this JEDEC/XMP/Tuned ? My score is for either 6400 CL30-37-37-36 DR a-die or 7800 34-45-45-44 SR a-die, don't remember exactly which one (guess 7800, the date is fairly close to the time i've bought those sticks).

igor_kavinski · Monday at 11:55 AM

tsamolotoff said:
Is this JEDEC/XMP/Tuned ? My score is for either 6400 CL30-37-37-36 DR a-die or 7800 34-45-45-44 SR a-die, don't remember exactly which one.

Tuned 6400 MT/s 26-36-32-30

Makaveli · Monday at 11:59 AM

poke01 said:
Over 9000!!!!!

tsamolotoff · Monday at 12:10 PM

I'm actually wondering - all these tests (as well as linpack if it is modded via usual 'reverse intel check' thing) actually use AVX-512, so this 40% uplift can be related to full-tempo AVX-512

igor_kavinski said:
A benevolent ES sample user has allowed me to share some data.

Saylick · Monday at 12:11 PM

igor_kavinski said:
A benevolent ES sample user has allowed me to share some data.

Previous data I had:

7950X
13900K
7975WX
AES
45+
55+
11+
FP32
39+
60+
-13
FP64
39+
60+
-16

Sample running at DDR5-8000 34-45-40-42.

These are percentage improvements.

And some updated screenshots with nothing running in background:

AES

View attachment 101788

FP32

View attachment 101789

FP64

View attachment 101792

GJ, Igor.

You will be famous on WTFTech soon enough. It's already been noticed on Xitter:

igor_kavinski · Monday at 12:19 PM

I don't want fame. Someone donate me a Zen 5 X3D

DisEnchantment · Monday at 12:20 PM

igor_kavinski said:
A benevolent ES sample user has allowed me to share some data.

Come on, you can also share us the GB and CB scores or 7Zip scores.
What's a few benchmarks between friends

igor_kavinski · Monday at 12:21 PM

tsamolotoff said:
I'm actually wondering - all these tests (as well as linpack if it is modded via usual 'reverse intel check' thing) actually use AVX-512, so this 40% uplift can be related to full-tempo AVX-512

What if the AVX-512 is gimped on this particular sample? Imagine an even higher score!

Chooo Choooo!!!! All aboard!!!

igor_kavinski · Monday at 12:22 PM

DisEnchantment said:
Come on, you can also share us the GB and CB scores or 7Zip scores.
What's a few benchmarks between friends

I would if it were in my possession

Markfw · Monday at 12:22 PM

That 40% on avx-512 is exactly what I suspected. Any why I will be getting one !

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