He's as blind as he can be, just sees what he wants to see.
Ironic.
Hey @Greenman - any update on what evidence you will accept that Trump wants to hurt people?
These exchanges perfectly encapsulate @Greenman.Not at this time, I'll be sure to let you know if that changes.
I've been focused on a couple of important tasks, a new walnut headboard for my MIL and air conditioning for my shop.
Right after the Churches do.Would you be willing to give up prop 13 and start paying your fair share of property taxes?
Seems like the bigger crime to is to shift the tax burden from the richest people to new homeowners struggling to make ends meet.Interesting point. So the "unfair" tax structure if fine because churches get a break as well?
I've always been a fan of prop 13, the idea of taxing people out of their homes is a crime in my opinion. I've run across a number of people that hate it because they see some people not paying their fair share. I also wonder if it could be passed in California today since it's popular among republican's?
Making the property tax base deliberately smaller is fucking stupid.Interesting point. So the "unfair" tax structure if fine because churches get a break as well?
I've always been a fan of prop 13, the idea of taxing people out of their homes is a crime in my opinion. I've run across a number of people that hate it because they see some people not paying their fair share. I also wonder if it could be passed in California today since it's popular among republican's?
Interesting point. So the "unfair" tax structure if fine because churches get a break as well?
I've always been a fan of prop 13, the idea of taxing people out of their homes is a crime in my opinion. I've run across a number of people that hate it because they see some people not paying their fair share. I also wonder if it could be passed in California today since it's popular among republican's?
Is living on three thousand bucks a month rich? The idea of driving out people who can't afford a new home to bring in people who can't afford a new home is absurd. At one time, the majority of California agreed with that idea.Seems like the bigger crime to is to shift the tax burden from the richest people to new homeowners struggling to make ends meet.
They do that here as well, when you hit 65 there are no more ad valorem taxes on your home, as long as you file a homestead. The folks at the assessors office made very sure I understood how it worked and what I had to do. Really great people working there.ALL properties should be fairly taxed. ALL property owners should pay a fair tax.
HOW to define that fair tax is in question. Some communities go overboard and assess unreasonably high. Some are undertaxed.
I'm on an age based exemption which is at the discretion of the local and state authorities.
I was under the impression that US property tax is analogous to UK council tax in that it pays for a ot of services that the community uses (roads, police, schools etc). That stuff needs funding so if you scrap property tax which other tax are you going to increase?Personally, I don't think there should be any property tax on a primary residence, and no tax breaks at all on investment property.
The reason their taxes went up is because they are now massively wealthier.Is living on three thousand bucks a month rich? The idea of driving out people who can't afford a new home to bring in people who can't afford a new home is absurd. At one time, the majority of California agreed with that idea.
Personally, I don't think there should be any property tax on a primary residence, and no tax breaks at all on investment property.
Sounds pretty parasitic to me, sponging off the taxpayers like that.They do that here as well, when you hit 65 there are no more ad valorem taxes on your home, as long as you file a homestead. The folks at the assessors office made very sure I understood how it worked and what I had to do. Really great people working there.
The reason their taxes went up is because they are now massively wealthier.
I struggle to understand why poorer people should pay higher taxes than wealthier people. That makes no sense to me.
It's a pretty bullshit argument.The argument may be that their property isn't really worth that. The value is artificial based on speculation. Take what they paid, what the value was for the first X years of ownership, calculate in some normal inflation and see where you are compared to the current 'value' on tax forms.
You have it right. All of those things could be funded through other taxes. My issue with property tax is that the owner is taxed on unrealized value. If we're going down that road, shouldn't retirement accounts be taxed on their value every year?I was under the impression that US property tax is analogous to UK council tax in that it pays for a ot of services that the community uses (roads, police, schools etc). That stuff needs funding so if you scrap property tax which other tax are you going to increase?
ALL properties should be fairly taxed. ALL property owners should pay a fair tax.
HOW to define that fair tax is in question. Some communities go overboard and assess unreasonably high. Some are undertaxed.
I'm on an age based exemption which is at the discretion of the local and state authorities.
I'll be the devil's advocate there. No taxation without representation, and you really, really don't want church representation any more than they already have.Right after the Churches do.
You have it right. All of those things could be funded through other taxes. My issue with property tax is that the owner is taxed on unrealized value. If we're going down that road, shouldn't retirement accounts be taxed on their value every year?
It just seems wrong to me that the state can come along and decide the home you paid $100k for is now worth a million so pay up or get tossed out so someone with more money can have your place.
The voters in California passed prop 13 by nearly a two to one margin, that's a land slide in anyone's book.
This is an argument against property taxes as a concept. It is not an argument in favor of prop 13, whose fundamental premise is that new homeowners should be taxed more than existing homeowners, which is a bad idea.You have it right. All of those things could be funded through other taxes. My issue with property tax is that the owner is taxed on unrealized value. If we're going down that road, shouldn't retirement accounts be taxed on their value every year?
The state doesn't simply decide that and you can appeal their assessment if you want. I think it's wrong when poor people have to pay vastly higher taxes than their rich neighbor for an identical house.It just seems wrong to me that the state can come along and decide the home you paid $100k for is now worth a million so pay up or get tossed out so someone with more money can have your place.
Of course they did! The people who voted for it were already in their houses, the people it was screwing over were the new guys.The voters in California passed prop 13 by nearly a two to one margin, that's a land slide in anyone's book.
lol you don't get tossed out, you sell your home and walk away with a $900k profit. Oh god how awfulYou have it right. All of those things could be funded through other taxes. My issue with property tax is that the owner is taxed on unrealized value. If we're going down that road, shouldn't retirement accounts be taxed on their value every year?
It just seems wrong to me that the state can come along and decide the home you paid $100k for is now worth a million so pay up or get tossed out so someone with more money can have your place.
The voters in California passed prop 13 by nearly a two to one margin, that's a land slide in anyone's book.
Poor millionaire grandma, thrown out on the street with nothing but her giant piles of money to console her.lol you don't get tossed out, you sell your home and walk away with a $900k profit. Oh god how awful
lol you don't get tossed out, you sell your home and walk away with a $900k profit. Oh god how awful
And go where? Short of long distance re-location, housing prices will make that essentially useless.lol you don't get tossed out, you sell your home and walk away with a $900k profit. Oh god how awful
They could buy a more modest place, they could rent, they could move somewhere else, etc.And go where? Short of long distance re-location, housing prices will make that essentially useless.