And what exactly IS the selling point for Zen5?But that is not the selling point for zen 5 though
It should be faster, more reliable and stable, consume less power and deliver great AVX-512 and multithreaded performance. These are all selling points that Intel lacks with their current line-up.But that is not the selling point for zen 5 though
+++ single thread uplift over zen 4 + upgrade path.And what exactly IS the selling point for Zen5?
Eh+++ single thread uplift over zen 4 + upgrade path.
You're right about the technical properties, but @Goop_reformed is also right about the marketing proposition. AMD is selling Zen 5 as the leader in performance, with heavy emphasis on ST.Eh
No?
The ST uplift is only ~15%+
They never claimed more than 15%. If they did, I would like to seeAMD is selling Zen 5 as the leader in performance, with heavy emphasis on ST.
Again, you're stuck on discussing the numbers while I'm talking about the marketing message. In marketing there's this concept of "unique selling proposition" , I'm sure you heard of it or used in some other form.They never claimed more than 15%. If they did, I would like to see
They will be the fastest x86 CPU at launch. And we x86 users can pretend that Apple doesn't exist because they refuse to run our x86 software. And Snapdragon Elite X isn't challenging a 9950X any time soon.We can agree or disagree with AMD, but their message is crystal clear.
Again, you are lecturing me, as if I crafted the message. True or false, it does not change what AMD said. Their marketing message is "fastest consumer CPU in the world", this is how they positioned their product.They will be the fastest x86 CPU at launch. And we x86 users can pretend that Apple doesn't exist because they refuse to run our x86 software. And Snapdragon Elite X isn't challenging a 9950X any time soon.
I wouldn't dare!Again, you are lecturing me, as if I crafted the message.
Well Apple does not sell CPUs, in reality. They sell a SW/HW ecosystem.They will be the fastest x86 CPU at launch. And we x86 users can pretend that Apple doesn't exist because they refuse to run our x86 software. And Snapdragon Elite X isn't challenging a 9950X any time soon.
uhm, I don't think AMD expect zen4 home users to upgrade to zen5 for ST performance.+++ single thread uplift over zen 4 + upgrade path.
Exactly, and unless you enjoy walled gardens it is a horrible eco system.Well Apple does not sell CPUs, in reality. They sell a SW/HW ecosystem.
From what we've seen so far to me it seems like an ok upgrade, not amazeballs, but decent and it seems like the mobile chips will offer significant improvements over current generation.And the CPU is far from launch. It is best to reserve judgement until the reviews are in. Then we can shame and blame AMD if needed
It would be amazeballs for me if 9950X cracks the 100 second barrier in Rapydmark benchmark. Would tempt me to get one with a cheap mobo and DDR5-8800 CUDIMM (whenever that is available) and run that at whatever max RAM speed the Ryzen IOD can manage, with the lowest possible latency.From what we've seen so far to me it seems like an ok upgrade, not amazeballs
All marketing should be scrutinized even if Lisa meant x86 here, define fastest is it in gaming or general or both? Statements like that are fluff without proof and data.They will be the fastest x86 CPU at launch. And we x86 users can pretend that Apple doesn't exist because they refuse to run our x86 software. And Snapdragon Elite X isn't challenging a 9950X any time soon.
We find out on launch day. The media (most of them Intel bent) isn't going to be kind to them if the reviews aren't good.Statements like that are fluff without proof and data.
you think so? they been bashing both Intel and AMD recently. I'd say most proper outlets are fair.media (most of them Intel bent)