8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

Mopetar · Tuesday at 7:40 AM

HUB has a new video out showing how much VRAM games utilize at various resolutions and performance settings. It covers a lot of the same titles that have already been discussed in this thread, but I thought it was interesting.

poke01 · Tuesday at 7:50 AM

Mopetar said:
HUB has a new video out showing how much VRAM games utilize at various resolutions and performance settings. It covers a lot of the same titles that have already been discussed in this thread, but I thought it was interesting.

Yep, do NOT buy a 8GB VRAM card in 2024. 12GB is bare minimum and 16GB is ideal.

AtenRa · Tuesday at 1:01 PM

Frame Generation on 8GB Cards is the biggest trolling of all time

igor_kavinski · Wednesday at 6:05 PM

AMD to present Neural Texture Block Compression in London — rivals Nvidia's texture compression research

Tune into EGSR next week for this and more dry paper readings

www.tomshardware.com

Hey, maybe now the RX 7600 has a chance to offer decent value for its price once this tech is rolled out.

poke01 · Wednesday at 6:26 PM

igor_kavinski said:
AMD to present Neural Texture Block Compression in London — rivals Nvidia's texture compression research

Tune into EGSR next week for this and more dry paper readings

www.tomshardware.com

Hey, maybe now the RX 7600 has a chance to offer decent value for its price once this tech is rolled out.

We gotta stick to 8GB dead. Go for the 7600XT.

No amount of software tricks can save 8GB cards.

Iron Woode · Wednesday at 8:03 PM

Well, he convinced me! 8 GB cards? Nah, I am now running my old GTX 1060 3GB card for 4K gaming at the "correct settings".

Never mind that the "correct settings" is 1024 x 768 upscaled with everything set to low but hey, getting 6FPS is obviously so worth it.

Thunder 57 · Wednesday at 8:48 PM

Iron Woode said:
Well, he convinced me! 8 GB cards? Nah, I am now running my old GTX 1060 3GB card for 4K gaming at the "correct settings".

Never mind that the "correct settings" is 1024 x 768 upscaled with everything set to low but hey, getting 6FPS is obviously so worth it.

I've read 640x480 upscaled works better because it was the original VGA resolution. You might get some more frames out of that.

Ranulf · Thursday at 2:36 AM

Heh, I wish I still had a good CRT monitor at 1280x1024 res or so. It would be great for older games especially. If only LCD tech could scale as well as CRT did.

Thunder 57 · Thursday at 2:43 AM

Ranulf said:
Heh, I wish I still had a good CRT monitor at 1280x1024 res or so. It would be great for older games especially. If only LCD tech could scale as well as CRT did.

That's one thing I miss about CRT's. Options. I ran 1152x864 as my standard for awhile. But I could always go a bit higher or lower if necessary. Their massive weight though, I do not miss that at all! EDIT: Didn't they fix that with Integer Scaling?

igor_kavinski · Thursday at 2:50 AM

In terms of quality, OLED reminds me more of CRT, maybe coz CRTs were also good at searing retinas with actual electrons fired at the phosphor dots :S

coercitiv · Thursday at 3:33 AM

Thunder 57 said:
EDIT: Didn't they fix that with Integer Scaling?

The part that is harder to fix (as in emulate) is the inherent properties of CRT. Due to the way it works, one could argue it has both black frame insertion and frame generation baked in.

Mopetar · Friday at 10:38 AM

I remember getting a 17" CRT and thinking that I was king of the world. One could argue that given the weight it still might be useful to this day as gym equipment. That thing was a beast.

Had anyone actually tried out frame generation with a sub 720p resolution? I'm kind of curious if only just for a good laugh at what it might spit out. If it's nightmarish enough, someone could even design a game around it.

Iron Woode · Friday at 6:23 PM

Mopetar said:
I remember getting a 17" CRT and thinking that I was king of the world. One could argue that given the weight it still might be useful to this day as gym equipment. That thing was a beast.

Had anyone actually tried out frame generation with a sub 720p resolution? I'm kind of curious if only just for a good laugh at what it might spit out. If it's nightmarish enough, someone could even design a game around it.

I had a 20" Sony CRT and that was one heavy monitor. It used BNC connectors.

DAPUNISHER · Saturday at 11:27 PM

The Spiderman Remastered testing in the OP by some Youtube rando is okay but leaves something to be desired. Showing system ram usage for starters. This morning my allocated was more than twice the used amount. The vid shows a 3-4GB increase for the 8GB 4060ti but seeing the usage would have been more revealing. The 8GB may have been using almost all of it, while the 16GB may have been using half or less of what was allocated.

Running down the street in a not particularly crowded area is not stressful enough. Anyone with 10s of kilometers of "skimmer" knows that swinging near street level in busy areas like Broadway taxes the system from the amount of asset streaming.

Last gen RX 6800 in Horizon:FW expansion's toughest area doing 4K high + FSR Q+FG with impressive results. Using more vram than the 4060ti 8GB has to give.

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