You maybe right. But why should that be case? I think Biden has done very well the last 4 years, but at a point you need to know when to fold them. RBG didn't and look where we are.
Absolutely not almost certain that Harris would win. Just totally making that up. I find it amazing that the Biden cultists can still not just say, ok, Biden should not have run, agreed, but let's take it from here. They just are not capable of dealing in reality.Assuming Biden said he would not run back in 23 there would be a contested primary that Harris would almost certainly prevail in. And by all accounts she would perform worse than Biden v Trump. Similarly the Rs would be sailing to victory if they nominated Haley but they couldn't so have to white knuckle another Trump candidacy.
Absolutely not almost certain that Harris would win. Just totally making that up. I find it amazing that the Biden cultists can still not just say, ok, Biden should not have run, agreed, but let's take it from here. They just are not capable of dealing in reality.
But let's be honest about this. That point, if it has arrived, was last night. Unless you believe MAGA-world, Joe Biden has never IMHO looked like he did during the debate. Anyone trying to scream "I told you so" is being disingenuous because just a few months ago, we were giving Biden credit for another solid SOTU address. (And FDR in the pre-television era is completely irrelevant.)You maybe right. But why should that be case? I think Biden has done very well the last 4 years, but at a point you need to know when to fold them. RBG didn't and look where we are.
But let's be honest about this. That point, if it has arrived, was last night. Unless you believe MAGA-world, Joe Biden has never IMHO looked like he did during the debate. Anyone trying to scream "I told you so" is being disingenuous because just a few months ago, we were giving Biden credit for another solid SOTU address. (And FDR in the pre-television era is completely irrelevant.)
I, along with some others, would have preferred that Biden opted against running again, but that conversation was for ~ 10 months ago. If a change has to happen now, so be it, but the timing is terrible. I personally believe either Harris or Newsom loses to DJT, so who do we roll the dice on? Whitmer? Buttigieg? I believe it's somewhat of a false narrative to claim that plenty of (R)s would defeat Joe Biden, and plenty of (D)s would defeat Donald Trump. Also, quit blaming the DNC. The decision to run again is on Joe Biden and him alone.
I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Kamala Harris was and is the heir apparent. As a VP with name recognition*, she's well positioned but even now the betting markets favor Gavin Newsom as the plan B. Here are what the odds look like:
It's like people completely forgot Harris' 2020 primary campaign was a total disaster. I LOL'd when CNN's John King said last night that she's great and they need to stop hiding her from the public.
* This might not even be a good thing. Her net favorability rating is terribad.
It's almost July. It's not an open primary starting from January 2024, so what (D) voters claim to want is also irrelevant (at this point, we're no longer deciding). I would agree if someone said there's no great Plan B at this point.
I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm asking you to believe D voters and not invent your own personal reality.
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I do like Newsom but I also agree, I think if Whitmer could do well in a primary, she is the best choice of the major names we have out there now.- if we're throwing shit out there, then Whitmer 100%.
Gov (executive experience) of a swing state, can talk mid-western, solidly progressive, white, and female (court that conservative suburban mom vote, brings in progressive women as well).
The president isn't a lifetime appointment, so that's a pretty substantial difference.You maybe right. But why should that be case? I think Biden has done very well the last 4 years, but at a point you need to know when to fold them. RBG didn't and look where we are.
Love the people that think the black woman vice president should be kicked off the ticket (or wouldn't be the presumptive nominee) to be replaced with generic white democrat. Talk about optics.I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm asking you to believe D voters and not invent your own personal reality.
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aren't you of the opinion that we shouldn't pay too much attention to polls when it comes to the general, but now polls before any theoretical primary are de facto true? That is just not serious. Everything changes when the primary happens, especially when the other choices haven't had a chance to present themselves at all, and Harris just has the most name recognition now. This poll is useless.
Love the people that think the black woman vice president should be kicked off the ticket (or wouldn't be the presumptive nominee) to be replaced with generic white democrat. Talk about optics.
I never said she wouldn't start with an advantage, but to say it is almost an absolute certainty she would win it, is nonsensical.The argument that the sitting VP, who is a black woman, would not possess a commanding advantage in a D primary is unserious and unsupported by any available information.
I never said she wouldn't start with an advantage, but to say it is almost an absolute certainty she would win it, is nonsensical.
So what do you think about the accuracy of the presidential polls btw?
Right, so the poll you want to be right is solid, but the ones you don't want to be right, aren't. All good.I think that much of the national GE polling is flying blind within a margin that's larger than usual, in what direction I have no idea. Do I think its's cooked to the level of a 44% to 17% Harris-Newsom primary question? Unlikely.
At least those people are being positive. Instead, we have so-called "Democratic Insiders" who rushed to shit their pants all over the media and start the "Biden withdraw" chant, instead of using their media-shaping narrative to tear down their opponents instead.Seeing a decent amount of pro-Biden cultists on social media saying - you don't freak out over the first bump in the road.
FIRST bump in the road you say? I'm starting to wonder if the Biden cultists have all been living in a cave for the last year with absolutely no outside contact. It's like they don't even exist in reality.
I expect Whitmer to run 2028, she will have 2 years to build an organization after her second term endsI do like Newsom but I also agree, I think if Whitmer could do well in a primary, she is the best choice of the major names we have out there now.
I expect Whitmer to run 2028, she will have 2 years to build an organization after her second term ends
Well, 12x better than Trump, for sure, even if he keels over.Also... You know... The purpose of the election is to pick someone capable of running the most powerful country in the world for 4 years. Bidens been pretty competent this last term, so either that debate was out of character for him or, pretty normally, his age is catching up on him. That happens pretty quickly for a lot of people, particularly intelligent people who take advice and work collaboratively.
Will he be able to run the country for the next 4 and a bit years?
Don’t think so. Even with all his experience he had stage fright. Look how much energy he had meeting with voters shortly after landing. And he was alert in his late night snackBiden looked and behaved like he was being pushed too hard by his coaches. They should'a gave him a couple of days off leading up to the debate to recoup whatever stamina he had in reserve. His people did not give him enough recovery time to get freshened up for the match.
Fighters do the same thing in various ways and so should Biden have been trained up that way.
Only Democrats have agency.I like how the NYT ed board is calling for him to drop out but not the felon and adjudicated rapist. They also treated him like a joke in 2020 then for some reason endorsed Warren and Klobuchar at the same time. Clown car outfit.