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It is just silly. The 5700X3D is $200 USD now. I'm debating selling my 3700x and older Ryzen chips to get one plus maybe a 5700g for a home server. I'd take the 3D chip for $50 less for better overall gaming performance.
I don't see much of a reason to get anything other than a x3d chip on a AM4 motherboard either, unless you are completely budget constrained and need all the threads.
 

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It is just silly. The 5700X3D is $200 USD now. I'm debating selling my 3700x and older Ryzen chips to get one plus maybe a 5700g for a home server. I'd take the 3D chip for $50 less for better overall gaming performance.
I too am debating selling my 5800x and getting the 5700x3D but not sure it'll make enough of a difference?
 
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I would not do that, use the money for another upgrade that you can use for several years (GPU, SSD, etc), or put it toward a fund for AM5/LGA1851(?) MB+CPU.
 
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I too am debating selling my 5800x and getting the 5700x3D but not sure it'll make enough of a difference?
(in Emperor Palpatine's voice) DO IT!


Look at the geomean delta between 5700X3D and 5800X in gaming.

But for anything else, yes it would be a downgrade, unless you do heavy multitasking in which case, better cache hit rates, less memory traffic and lower power utilization are all benefits you could potentially reap.
 

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My main gamer was a 5800X in ECO mode with the +200lMHz PBO. I swapped for its 3D juiced to the gills bro. The games where the experience was immediately noticeable was using ray tracing with both Spiderman games and Gotham Knights. I had stutter and micro-stutter at times which the 3D completely smoothed out. Which is where the 3D shines IME; consistency/smoothness.

I had times with the boss hordes in Days Gone where the 5800X would get micro-stutter for a few seconds here and there that I have not seen since switching either. I don't want to give the 3D full credit for that as I changed to a faster GPU as well. And I have not tested with AB logging in order to conclude it was completely a CPU issue. 300 zombies charging me full HAM while my traps and grenades explode, I am dumping rounds in them, and all of the effects that generates makes it difficult to conclude. Next time I fire the game up I'll test it out. My presumption is the RX 6800 was doing its job well, and the CPU was the one getting hammered by the workload at 1080.

My hot take is nothing else will touch the 5700X3D for a cheap gaming upgrade when already being on AM4. Should clear over $100 selling the 5800X making the upgrade less than a C note. Not getting that level of gaming experience any other way, not even close. Selling the whole CPU, RAM, and mobo combo would be the next best plan. I have 3 systems now running 3D because it was throw and go. AM5 was tempting but the hardest thing I do is game and Zen 3 3D has that covered just fine. Plus, now I have 3 capable gamers for the price that one AM5 would have cost me.
 

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What about a used 5800X3D? That could also be a great buy, and is clocked higher than the 5700X3D.
 

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LOL guy on eBay told me to make an offer of $90... but had his auto decline/reject set higher than that amount so I made the offer and it auto declined. Ah never change EBay.

Found a 5600X used for $93 all in, no fan or box on this one, but slightly better processor for slightly less money, why not, went for that instead.
 

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Out of curiosity, for a budget gaming build, do y'all know how competitive is a 5800X3D build with DDR4 3600 with tight RAM timings?
 
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5800X3D build with DDR4 3600 with tight RAM timings?

In general, it's kind of a wasted effort, unless you can't live without squeezing every last bit of performance out of your setup.

One could argue that V-cache helped AMD cover up for their memory subsystem which has trouble going above DDR4-3800 in most cases for normal people with no overclocking experience or expertise. The situation is similar in DDR5 land too. They NEEDED V-cache and it was brilliant of them that they anticipated needing it and worked with TSMC to make it happen.
 

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Out of curiosity, for a budget gaming build, do y'all know how competitive is a 5800X3D build with DDR4 3600 with tight RAM timings?
igor is on point about ram.

As always, it depends on the games you play, if you are already on AM4, and if you can leverage the used market, as to how much value Zen 3 3D will provide. And of course the biggest consideration is if you live close enough to a Micro Center with the crazy hot deal 7800X3D combos. If already on the platform I'd opt for the slightly slower 5700X3D here in the U.S. as it is $199.98.now. Obviously for productivity there are much better choices for similar money.

I recently picked up the 5800X3D NIB here in the forums from one of our many outstanding members for $210. I don't think I'd pay more than $30 over the 5700X3D as the value isn't there otherwise. I picked up a 5600X3D on another forum for $200 shipped a couple months before the 5700X3D had the $50 price drop. I'd have still chosen the 6 core though, simply because it's such a rare CPU. Making it a collectable for me. A $35 Phantom Spirit 120 easily cools them while staying quiet. I do use a negative offset in curve optimizer of -20 to -30 depending on where the CPU is in the silicon lottery. I don't do BCLK or any other tweaks as IMO the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

No point in building Zen 3 3D new unless the new and used market where you are is radically different from the U.S.

For me it came down to -
1. Simple swap out of CPUs
2. No windows activation hassles or expense
3. Unbeatable bang for buck upgrade after selling the old CPUs
4. Used market pricing thanks to tech forums for sale/trade
 

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LOL guy on eBay told me to make an offer of $90... but had his auto decline/reject set higher than that amount so I made the offer and it auto declined. Ah never change EBay.

Found a 5600X used for $93 all in, no fan or box on this one, but slightly better processor for slightly less money, why not, went for that instead.
ECO mode with the +200MHz boost has been 100% solid on every vanilla Zen 3 I have used. I have one 5600X left and it has been running that way for years now.
 

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That's pretty cheap. What's the best board combo with these things right now? In terms of price and availability.
Hard to recommend building AM4 new. If for whatever reason someone is committed to it over AM5 I see a few good deals on boards.

AntOnline on Amazon has the Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 for $79.99 There are only 4 left so it won't last long. Newegg has it for $100 LINK

Newegg also has the AORUS ELITE AX V2 open box for $106 shipped. They have gotten a lot better with QA and the no hassle returns. I have had this board for 2.5yrs and it is solid. Only minor complaint is if your case does not have USB-C you have to buy a card that hooks to the internal header or a PCIe card to add it. As it is not on the back panel. LINK Amazon has the mATX model for $117 LINK

Prime Day should make a 5700X3D combo cheaper still.

I don't think I'd cheese any harder than those on the board for a CPU that costs almost $200 at the moment. Particularly with the Ryzen 7500f going for $137 on Ali Express. Just makes more sense to build AM5.
 

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Is a 7500f really comparable in games to a 5700X3D though?
It depends on the games tested of course. In sims like Assetto Corsa and MSFS the V-cache makes a difference. In games where memory bandwidth and single thread performance matter, the 7500f does well. Unlike the 3D it has more room for improvement with a little effort, and will outperform the 3D.

Fabio tested them. Here is the 14 game averages with different tweaks and stock. Vid will start at correct time.


If we only consider stock settings for those gamers that won't tweak at all. Not so much as a negative curve offset and +MHz PBO boost. Then I still don't think it alters that building the 7500f AM5 system is the better choice. Total build costs will be similar, at stock, performance is also close enough, and AM5 has a future where AM4 does not.
 
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If videos like these increase sales of cheap AM5 mobos and CPUs, AMD will soon be forced to discount AM4 chips even more. Just wondering how low they can go. I don't know about now but back in around 2000, I read that a chip costs $50 for Intel to make, regardless of whether it's i7 or Celeron. With inflation and rising manufacturing costs, this might've gone up to $100 at most. So maybe AMD still has some wiggle room and we could see new X3D chips going under $150 some time soon. That's gonna make consoles look bad in terms of fps smoothness and could inject some more life into the DIY PC gaming scene by lowering the barrier of entry.
 

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Fabio tested them. Here is the 14 game averages with different tweaks and stock. Vid will start at correct time.
If we consider untweaked systems using cheap-as-possible components (and DDR4-3200 is pretty cheap), then it still looks like a discounted 5700X3D is the winner. Yeah it has no meaningful upgrade path (especially not with that RAM!) but it's hard not to recommend it for a first-time buyer that doesn't want to do any tweaking and just wants a basic HSF.

In the end it is going to come down to which games specifically you want to play, and with dGPUs still representing the main cost associated with building gaming PCs, the choice of CPU/board/RAM might not matter so much . . .
 
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If we consider untweaked systems using cheap-as-possible components (and DDR4-3200 is pretty cheap), then it still looks like a discounted 5700X3D is the winner. Yeah it has no meaningful upgrade path (especially not with that RAM!) but it's hard not to recommend it for a first-time buyer that doesn't want to do any tweaking and just wants a basic HSF.

In the end it is going to come down to which games specifically you want to play, and with dGPUs still representing the main cost associated with building gaming PCs, the choice of CPU/board/RAM might not matter so much . . .
You are not wrong. AM4, and especially Zen 3, has dominated retail sales for years for good reason. Every time I check Amazon at least 5 of the top 10 best sellers are Zen 3. Super cheap AM4 boards top the best sellers list frequently too. There are 3 in the top 10 right now, so we know shoppers are seeing it the way you presented.

From my perspective, that's the strongest arguments for going AM5 for a new build. It establishes precedence for why buying into a new AMD platform is the best value. With AMD committing to 2027 for AM5, an extra $100-$150 in build cost is what 10% of the total cost? That small premium buys you the ability to drop in a massive CPU performance uplift years from now.

@scannall provided an example of the ideal candidate for a 5700X3D. Upgrading that last system from Zen+ on the same board is unbeatable bang for buck.
 
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