Question Another old rig bites the dust…. sort of….

Blazer7 · Wednesday at 4:43 PM

manly said:
One final note. It's the end of the line for Intel's LGA 1700 socket. You won't have a drop-in CPU upgrade path.

I’ve heard that intel’s next gen sports a new socket. I don’t know if it’s the end for LGA1700 but it is likely.

manly said:
With AMD's AM5 socket, it's not quite guaranteed but chances are pretty good that when Zen 6 launches in 2026, it'll be on the same socket. So you should have an opportunity for an easy CPU upgrade in a few years, while preserving your existing platform investment.

It’s true that AMD tends to support their platforms longer than intel. I think they are releasing a couple new Ryzens for AM4. That’s cool and a definite plus.

manly said:
I think many of us here like some PSU headroom. We just believe you don't have to overdo it, esp. because PSUs have gotten somewhat pricey post-Covid.

I know but am I overdoing it? At times I experience various challenges from power stability issues to high environment temps and then there are future upgrades, equipment coming and going, auxiliary equipment etc. It’s very time consuming for me to write down everything. But here are some more details for you guys to understand why this is important. At peak now I’m ~480 watts, before all the changes I was north of 680 with a 750W PSU facing all this with no headroom for upgrades. Now I can start with a new rig from as high as 690W with the possibility to go even higher in the future. A 1200Watt PSU is an investment for me. The 850/900 watt ceiling that I mentioned in my original post is there for stress protection of my equipment and I’m not referring to my PSU but rather to my UPSs.

My primary UPS is an APC SMT1500ic (1500VA/1000W), my backup which is not in use but is 100% functional is an older APC SUA1500i (1440VA/980W). The cost of a 1200W PSU is peanuts. The cost of not having my main station available when needed can keep me awake at nights. I hope that this sheds some light.

Tech Junky · Wednesday at 5:06 PM

Blazer7 said:
I don’t know if it’s the end for LGA1700 but it is likely.

LGA1851

Blazer7 said:
I think they are releasing a couple new Ryzens for AM4

Yes, but they will never have PCIE 5

Blazer7 said:
The 850/900 watt ceiling

If you're doing a single GPU this should be fine as most builds will top out ~600-700W. Of course you could go extreme with OC and add a monster 600W GPU to the mix or double up on them for some reason in which even the 1200W wouldn't work. Buy for what you plan with some headroom instead of blowing $300 on a PSU that won't even come close to being pushed.

Blazer7 said:
The cost of not having my main station available when needed can keep me awake at nights. I hope that this sheds some light.

The average UPS when sized appropriately only provides enough time to complete whatever you're currently doing and shutdown within 10-15 minutes. It's not a generator.... It's simply there to allow for a graceful shutdown either by you or through the commands it sends to the devices attached.

There's a lot of hypotheticals here and venturing into wishful thinking when it comes to a PC vs a laptop when it comes to expectations and solutions. I can run my ISP connection off a power bank for ~16 hours and get additional laptop time for several hours as well. Do I need it? No. Nice to have? Yes. Being portable w/ sustained power / internet is useful to me for things like working on my car where traditional power / connectivity isn't available easily. If I'm diagnosing or updating something it might take a half hour or hours to do.

Blazer7 · Wednesday at 5:13 PM

Tech Junky said:
Not to mention some of the gimmicks like PCIE 5 PSUs. Really?
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The other push has been the 12VHPWR Connector for GPUs.

I do not like this particular connector. I still think that they could have done away using a combination of existing connectors and/or better board/GPU designs.

Tech Junky said:
If you get a decent 850 it's more than sufficient and should be around $100. Full modular with a 10yr warranty.

10 years sound very appealing but I never really understood this fully modular concept. IMHO semi modular PSUs may provide less electrical noise due to less connections and not having lots of big motherboard connectors around is definitely good, at least for me. Of course others may disagree.

Blazer7 · Wednesday at 5:23 PM

Tech Junky said:
Yes, but they will never have PCIE 5

Still a good upgrade for older systems.

Tech Junky said:
If you're doing a single GPU this should be fine as most builds will top out ~600-700W. Of course you could go extreme with OC and add a monster 600W GPU to the mix or double up on them for some reason in which even the 1200W wouldn't work. Buy for what you plan with some headroom instead of blowing $300 on a PSU that won't even come close to being pushed.

I am not a gamer, it's been ages since I got a multi gpu setup and I'm not likely to do something like that again. However a good upgrade down the road will probably add to my power draw. I won't be having many choices in the future and will probably have to buy what is available regardless of power and cost. Even if I don't get a 1200w PSU I'll probably go for a 1100 with better certification. That won't cut my cost down.

Tech Junky said:
The average UPS when sized appropriately only provides enough time to complete whatever you're currently doing and shutdown within 10-15 minutes. It's not a generator.... It's simply there to allow for a graceful shutdown either by you or through the commands it sends to the devices attached.

There's a lot of hypotheticals here and venturing into wishful thinking when it comes to a PC vs a laptop when it comes to expectations and solutions. I can run my ISP connection off a power bank for ~16 hours and get additional laptop time for several hours as well. Do I need it? No. Nice to have? Yes. Being portable w/ sustained power / internet is useful to me for things like working on my car where traditional power / connectivity isn't available easily. If I'm diagnosing or updating something it might take a half hour or hours to do.

Sometimes 5 more minutes can mean the world if you can finish what you've started a few hours ago. Sometimes having your router powered and your pc for a couple of minutes can make all the difference. And there other times that you need a generator. I know....

Tech Junky · Wednesday at 5:35 PM

@Blazer7

The full modular is nice because you can clear out at least 50% of the cabling mess from inside to free up air movement within the case. I've been full modular for about a decade now and a few different PSU's and never an issue. As to the warranty there's more vendors pushing beyond 10yr. I think I've seen a couple of recent offering 12yr and of course there's probably a couple out there pushing 15yr.

As to the 600W connectors / cables.... It's a bit silly to put a space heater in your PC to begin with. This is where you consider using an open bench setup to prevent heat soak / noise due to the fans running full tilt. Maybe putting the CPU into an external case and link it back with TB or Oculink to the main system. Not to mention this frees up a slot or 3 inside the case for use with other cards you might need to use.

Blazer7 said:
finish

Save

I don't bother with either ups/gen as the work I'm doing is on a laptop aka has a battery and as mentioned I have a power bank or two as extra juice to extend the time if needed. Your other issue is your ISP losing power and being offline which means the router is useless as well. It's one of the reasons I switched to 5G WWAN besides the nagging from the cable co. for a data cap monthly and crappy upload speeds it also keeps working with no wall power for extended periods of time and as for speeds it's typically 300/100 and unlimited data + also has 40GB of tethering available for when I'm lazy and pop the sim into my phone instead of using the modem.

My server has had repeat power outages when there's storms rolling through and it's come back online just fine w/ sudden drops but, it does have a high joule surge protector inline. The SP has other high $$$ devices plugged in as well for the same purpose. Since rebuilding it and converting from spinners to SSD/NVME U drive there's little chance for data not being saved already if there's a power issue due to the speed being 6.5GB/s. When I say server it's just a PC that's 24/7 and not really a sit and use it directly kind of setup. I can do everything a desktop would do since it has most of the same parts inside like a GPU but, it's built to be efficient since it's 24/7 as a router connected to the 5G modem and the main storage device for bulk storage w/ the 15.36TB drive inside.

Blazer7 · Wednesday at 5:54 PM

My PSU is semi modular. I have only one power cable that I don't need in there plus another two or three from the modular side. All and all it's not that different from a fully modular at least for me.

I don't know about that open bench setup. I have thought of it but I don't think that this is the way to go, at least for now.

Even if I lose my land line because of the ISP I can still turn my smartphone into a hotspot. I have a couple of powerbanks handy so I'm covered. Most outages I experience last only a few minutes which in my current low power state is like I don't have to shutdown. Simply priceless...

Tech Junky · Wednesday at 6:04 PM

Blazer7 said:
Most outages I experience last only a few minutes

Must be nice. I either have flashes or extended. Typically though the grid is solid until there's regional issues. Hurricane season is here and even with a storm like Harvey things stayed lit for the most part. Now oddly enough during the extended cold snap is when power went down for hours. That's when a gen would have been nice as the inside temps dropped significantly to the point of needing to put layers on indoors.

Blazer7 · Wednesday at 6:18 PM

There is always the possibility of an extended outage. Once a transformer blew and I was out for half a day. There are always things you can't predict or cope with. The worst for me is constant fluctuations. When this occurs you have no way of knowing how it will play. If I can I shutdown everything, if I can’t I pray.

Tech Junky · Wednesday at 6:27 PM

Blazer7 said:
constant fluctuations

Luckily I don't have that typically. Different regions and whether aerial / buried make a difference.

Blazer7 · Friday at 4:22 PM

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