Not to mention a good chunk (quarter) of those surveyed didn't have a garage with charging port.
I always wonder who would buy an EV if they couldn't charge it at home. Though you don't need much for that. Even just a regular 120V plug can give you about 4 miles/hour of charging (while you sleep).
Sorry about that, especially sorry because I'd seen the survey thread before. Chalk it up to my cognitive decline during my sunset years.Do we need another thread?
Only 31% of Americans want an EV or PHEV. What about you?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/new-yahoo-finance-ipsos-poll-shows-over-half-of-americans-unlikely-to-buy-an-ev-130040140.html I really want my next vehicle to be at least a PHEV. And thanks to federal and Colorado state incentives, I think it makes financial sense. But I'm still not sure I...forums.anandtech.com
Sorry about that, especially sorry because I'd seen the survey thread before. Chalk it up to my cognitive decline during my sunset years.
My brother is a climate denier and an EV critic. He's the one who gave me the misinterpreted rumor info. But it wasn't just rumor: it was a survey.
Right now, I'm looking at hybrids that can actually replace a mid-sized SUV. If my health next year is as good as it is today, I'll spring for a newer hybrid vehicle.
Totally "EV"? We'll wait and see. When will that new Toyota battery technology be available? 700 miles on a charge?
Don't use bullshit numbers?One thing people don't realize with owning an EV is that they have a much higher total cost of ownership, and you take the brunt of that initially when you buy it. I wonder how many people got one thinking it would be cheaper to own and realize it's not. Yeah, you save on gas but that's all you save on. Insurance is higher, repairs such as body work tend to cost way more as they are not designed with servicing in mind, you go through tires faster, etc. Not to mention there are not lot of shops that will work on them and you will be without your car for months so you need to rent one in the meantime.
I often look into getting an EV but it just makes no financial sense when I start to add up the numbers.
Many EVs in the USA are under $40K. And that's before the subsidies kick in:
Think EVs are too expensive? Here are 11 for under $40K.
The average new car costs more than $47,000—here are 17 EVs for less than that.arstechnica.com
Dang…I’m not a fan of Nissan autos, but…WOW! What a deal.
24 month lease on a 2025 Nissan Leaf.
$0 down, $19/month.
MUST be a Colorado resident to qualify.
Repairs during the lease SHOULD be under warranty, same as if you bought it.Damn even gas cars are not that cheap here. I'm not a fan of leasing but at that price I'd probably do it. The issue with the Leafs though is the batteries don't have thermal management so they only really work in hot climates. Lithium batteries don't like to be charged below zero. But if it's a lease... I guess that's moot. The dealer's problem after the lease is done. Maybe that is the route to go if you get an EV, just lease it... then the repairs etc are the dealership's problem.
In general, BEVs are more expensive to purchase than ICE (outside of China). So they should have higher TCO over the first 5 years, because depreciation is going to be higher.Unfortunately (for that article), 5 years does not an auto lifetime make.
Gas is super cheap too which kind of forces the automakers to make the EVs cheaper.
Your insights are thought-provoking. I know maybe one person -- as a friend -- who bought a PRIUS not long after the early models were released. She's since traded it in for a hybrid Corolla. While she may be a vanguard, her caution is evident together with her limited budget -- prosperous as she may be as a retired senior.It's just a general observation. Can buy a used gas vehicle for ~10k, an EV is about 70k+ new once you factor in taxes etc, and there is not really a used market for them yet and I wouldn't buy used anyway as then you need to deal with all the repairs, which are very expensive. Repairs on an EV tend to be in the 5 figure range. and that's not even getting into battery replacements, which are also in the 6 figure range. Nobody other than a few specialized shops such as Electrified Garage will touch the battery pack, so even a minor issue they want to replace the whole thing. I agree, it doesn't need to be this way, they could build these to be repairable just like any other car, but for some reason, they don't. The Rivian for example can cost multiple 10's of thousands (42k in this case) to repair if you get into a minor fender bender. This is also why insurance is so high too.
There are a few Teslas in my area but that's about it as far as EVs go, so I don't think there will ever really be a used market here. Also I don't even know where they bring it to get repaired, as I doubt any shop here will touch them. Probably have to get it floated to the states to an actual Tesla shop. $180/hour is a typical cost for trucking. ~10 hours both ways = you are better off just scrapping it and buying a used gas car.
If, and that's a big If, you get an EV, and have very good luck with it and never have to put in any repairs, MAYBE after like 10 years you'll actually break even and be at a point where the TCO is lower than a gas car, but you will be pretty lucky to never need any repairs. It's a myth that EVs don't need any repairs, they are still a mechanical device and there are some moving parts. Unless it barely gets used, never leaves a paved road, and is not really stressed in any way, things are bound to break over the years.