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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Don't worry everybody. Electing a fascist traitor to an office that was just granted immense unconstitutional powers by a fascist Supreme Court will work out fine.

Greenman lost the plot so goddamn fucking long ago. Must have been traitoring all the years since he proudly voted for that walking back of dicks, Reagan.
 
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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Idk. It might be easier to just let a known traitor, criminal and capricious sociopath become dictator, and conduct his purges in peace. The country can always just fall back to hoping for the best.

Wouldn't want to spoil our last few months of not being a monarchy, would we?
I'm too egotistical to let people suffer what they think they deserve. I'm my brother's keeper and know better than he does what's good for him.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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This HAS NEVER been about who to vote for. It is an argument over how to best defeat Trump.

A half-dead candidate who cannot push back, let alone fight back, is hardly going to drive home and deliver a good campaign. We deserved better.
People's behavior here reminds me a bit of HBO's Chernobyl and the deep denial, deflection and coverup. Ego first, reality last.

As we KEEP saying. Biden could actually be dead and we would still vote for "him" over Trump. Always has been.
The problem is that many of our countrymen likely do not share the same opinion.

Heaven forbid if we were capable of producing anyone in the country who could go out and inspire people to believe in a better future. Whose charisma could speak to the American people and win over their votes. Instead of "Well at least he isn't dead yet". That it has come to this to defend us from fascism is just f!@#$ing sad.

The polls don’t show any movement in terms of who they are going to vote for so I’d argue that the general population certainly does agree that they will vote for whoever can beat Trump, including a dead guy.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Man you really fucking hate democracy.

I think he likes false equivalency even more though. He thinks both sides are playing the same game. However he refuses to look at the context for both sides behavior. Republicans scream that democrats are going to destroy our nation and democrats say the same thing about republicans. What he fails to take into account, I’m guessing because of willful ignorance, is that republicans have no examples of policies/actions of democrats that support their claims. Whereas democrats can point to January 6th, trumps fake electors scheme, trumps calls to governors to “find” the votes, voter fraud cases that went no where, Supreme Court justices that are actively taking bribes, laws that restrict women’s rights to body autonomy, actual book banning, publicly stating that their congressional investigations were done purely for political reasons, actual collusion with foreign adversaries, a conservative road map that reads like a how-to “overthrow democracy”, outright ignoring the rule of law, refusing to appear before congress after being served subpoenas, pardoning of administration/campaign staff for committing fraud, spreading actual propaganda through the media and news stations, etc, etc

The only reason everyone doesn’t put the guy on ignore is because people on the left always think everyone can be saved and reasoned with. He doesn’t want to be saved, he likes his bubble because it doesn’t require him to think critically or be honest with himself and he’s not alone, there are millions of people just like him with their heads in the sand or both hands in air and proclaiming “both sides”.
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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And how many of those voters will vote for Biden over trump?

It doesn't matter how many people want to replace Biden. It matters how many people will vote for him.

This is the "Well I'd rather drive a Koenigsegg Regera, but I'm fine with my Honda Accord because it gets the job done and is actually realistic" argument.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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I think he likes false equivalency even more though. He think both sides are playing the same game. However he refuses to look at the context for both sides behavior. Republicans scream that democrats are going to destroy our nation and democrats say the same thing about republicans. What he fails to take into account, I’m going because of willful ignorance, is that republicans have no policies/actions of democrats that support their claims. Whereas democrats can point to January 6th, trumps fake electors scheme, trumps calls to governors to “find” the votes, voter fraud cases that went no where, Supreme Court justices that are actively and precisely taken bribes, laws that restrict women’s rights to body autonomy, actual book banning, publicly stating that their congressional investigations were done purely for political reasons, actual collusion with foreign adversaries, a conservative road map that reads like a how-to “overthrow democracy”, outright ignoring the rule of law, refusing to appear before congress after being served subpoenas, pardoning of administration/campaign staff for committing fraud, spreading actual propaganda through the media and news stations, etc, etc

The only reason everyone doesn’t put the guy on ignore is because people on the left always think everyone can be saved and reasoned with. He doesn’t want to be saved, he likes his bubble because it doesn’t require him to think critically or be honest with himself and he’s not alone, there are millions of people just like him with their heads in the sand or both hands in air and proclaiming “both sides”.

The GOP lt gov of NC said we need to be killed today.

Anyone else really think that we need to start fighting back instead of just being outraged for 0.5 seconds?

Just buy your AR-15 while you can get them since project 2025 is very real.

Instead we have self-sabotaging Democrats, media peddling a Biden replacement frenzy instead of the daily decline, deceit & danger of Trump dictatorship.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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ahh, a Biden cult member. I actually quote people and respond to their words. and then quote them again if needed. but good luck with your cognitive dissonance, you seem to have a lot of company there these days in the failure that is the democratic party.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
23,107
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I told you I disagreed with you calling a concept insane, and spelled out why. Nothing dishonest about it.

I will admit to not fully understanding why someone's belief of "doesn't matter who OUR candidate is" causes you to believe it's now impossible "to fight the entities like the Supreme Court and defeat Trump will work with the(sic) attitude." As I stated earlier, these are insane times full of insane occurrences. I suppose I fail to see how your inability to handle the realities of a 2 party system riddled with extremism counts as someone else being insane, to put it bluntly.

Please, if you want, spend some time on providing statements elaborating on the connection of the two quotes from you above in bold. Is it dishonest of me to ask you for the perspective I don't understand?
will you ever quote me where I said what you accuse me of? you still can't and you won't. just double down and blather on rather than simply use my words.

I said it's insane to imply our candidate doesn't matter due to incoming criticism no matter who it is, because I said with the right candidate we can defeat Trump and at least fight the SC. how is that me taking republican criticism of our candidate to heart when choosing our candidate? that was your accusation of what I said. and where have I ever not handled the realities of a 2 party system? I mean you are just literally making so much shit up in your brain right now it's bonkers.

it's embarrassing and pathetic what the Biden cult has become so quickly.

total fucking lunatics.
 

iRONic

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2006
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I think he likes false equivalency even more though. He think both sides are playing the same game. However he refuses to look at the context for both sides behavior. Republicans scream that democrats are going to destroy our nation and democrats say the same thing about republicans. What he fails to take into account, I’m going because of willful ignorance, is that republicans have no policies/actions of democrats that support their claims. Whereas democrats can point to January 6th, trumps fake electors scheme, trumps calls to governors to “find” the votes, voter fraud cases that went no where, Supreme Court justices that are actively and precisely taken bribes, laws that restrict women’s rights to body autonomy, actual book banning, publicly stating that their congressional investigations were done purely for political reasons, actual collusion with foreign adversaries, a conservative road map that reads like a how-to “overthrow democracy”, outright ignoring the rule of law, refusing to appear before congress after being served subpoenas, pardoning of administration/campaign staff for committing fraud, spreading actual propaganda through the media and news stations, etc, etc

The only reason everyone doesn’t put the guy on ignore is because people on the left always think everyone can be saved and reasoned with. He doesn’t want to be saved, he likes his bubble because it doesn’t require him to think critically or be honest with himself and he’s not alone, there are millions of people just like him with their heads in the sand or both hands in air and proclaiming “both sides”.
All very true and salient points.

Only reason I don’t have Mr. Greenjeans on IG is because I enjoy seeing just how much he doesn’t care what people say about him.

“lt is a great system, and I consider myself lucky to have been born in this time and this place.”
 
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Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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This is the "Well I'd rather drive a Koenigsegg Regera, but I'm fine with my Honda Accord because it gets the job done and is actually realistic" argument.
the accord might not have the looks or the speed, but i guarantee you you'll get much more mileage out of it at a lower cost
(translation: a candidate doesn't have to be massively inspiring, only that they can win and achieve policy goals over time)
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Isn't it a little interesting that it's the liberals playing the fear game? "Trump will end democracy if he's democratically elected" doesn't ring true to me.
The states get to decide who the president will be, and if the states decide that's Trump, then that's what we'll get. The republic will stand, Trump will be replaced in four years, the world will go on.

Does not want to engage..
Does not want to engage..
Ah fuck it.

Trump would still be POTUS today if not for Mike Pence!

Who was going to get him out of there? You? PcGeek. You lot are fucking sissies who love to get assfucked on webcam by Trump.

Might as well get onlyfans.. it'll make you more money than posting your non sense here.

Oh and while you pretend you think LGBT folks are crazy. You belong in a loony bin pride parade more than I do!
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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the accord might not have the looks or the speed, but i guarantee you you'll get much more mileage out of it at a lower cost
(translation: a candidate doesn't have to be massively inspiring, only that they can win and achieve policy goals over time)
What if the accord is so rusted it can't be put on a lift anymore without it cracking in half because it's been a DD in rural NY for 15 years?
 
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BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Squishy thinks those of us who think Biden, even in his current condition is still more electable than Cacklin Kamala Harris are cultists…
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Was there ever any doubt who that would be? If he was in a wheel chair drooling on his chest he'd still be the democrat candidate and you'd still vote for him.
I just can’t get over your celebrity worship. I mean ignore the media bashing and hand wringing, ignore the courts civil and criminal that have found him guilty of everything from stealing from kids cancer charities to lying about rape, to felonies and instead listen to the people who worked with him.

Hell even ignore the all the cabinet officials and generals who say he’s a POS. Instead listen to the contractors and construction guys who said he stiffed them. There’s hundreds.

Didn’t you used to own and work construction/ contractor work? You must have had a shitty customer or two? If you got stiffed and other contractors you know got stiffed by a certain customer would you be sitting there saying wait a minute we can’t draw any conclusions about this guy, let’s vote for him?


This HAS NEVER been about who to vote for. It is an argument over how to best defeat Trump.

A half-dead candidate who cannot push back, let alone fight back, is hardly going to drive home and deliver a good campaign. We deserved better.
People's behavior here reminds me a bit of HBO's Chernobyl and the deep denial, deflection and coverup. Ego first, reality last.

As we KEEP saying. Biden could actually be dead and we would still vote for "him" over Trump. Always has been.
The problem is that many of our countrymen likely do not share the same opinion.

Heaven forbid if we were capable of producing anyone in the country who could go out and inspire people to believe in a better future. Whose charisma could speak to the American people and win over their votes. Instead of "Well at least he isn't dead yet". That it has come to this to defend us from fascism is just f!@#$ing sad.
My point is the hand wringing over Biden’s performance while justified - without another candidate to vote for - is just wasted effort.

If having Biden isn’t the best way to defeat Trump who is? There’s a lot of posters who want others to say “OMG you were totally right all along. I never realized what a special and smart person you were”. That’s great and all but without another candidate it’s a moot point.

If there is no other better candidate than amplifying Biden’s poor performance DOES NOT help defeat Trump. It actively harms that effort.

So I would like all the special folks who are crowing about how they saw this coming to put their money where their mouths are and say who is the Dem that should be front runner on the ticket.

They won’t do that because A. it’s hard to pick and B. then they open themselves to having to prove themselves right.

For me I’ll say Biden, Harris, or even Mayor Pete could beat Trump. However which one could win by the largest (threadbare) margin I don’t know. The ideal candidate for broadest appeal in the general to “independents” I’m sorry to say is a well spoken 60 year old white straight, Christian, guy who’s not from NY or CA. The Dems are not fielding any of these.

I do think the Dems should rally behind Biden at this point. If that’s not possible then Biden should work to step down as gracefully as possible and hand over to Kamala. Other than that I have no other great ideas.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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28,937
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The letters to the editor in the local paper are filled with earnest sounding folks thanking Biden for his extraordinary service to our country and encouraging him to do the right thing and step down. The pool of folks who write letters the local newspaper is about as deep as the pool of P&N posters so if one reads the paper with any regularity, one recognizes the names. Every single letter asking Biden to step down was written by a fascist (Republican).
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Squishy thinks those of us who think Biden, even in his current condition is still more electable than Cacklin Kamala Harris are cultists…

Just because you are definitely slightly racist AND have a hard on for Kamala because she slept with Willy Brown 30 years ago and you are still stuck on it, while giving men a pass for doing far worse, which makes you also pretty damn sexist, we all have to suffer? Fascinating.

And she is not my ideal candidate, and I was hoping for a primary (rightfully so), so that other candidates could rise to the top over her - but she is the only one that is feasible NOW in this election without causing a big fucking mess. But she is way better, along with the right VP, than barely mentally competent Biden, if that.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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I think he likes false equivalency even more though. He thinks both sides are playing the same game. However he refuses to look at the context for both sides behavior. Republicans scream that democrats are going to destroy our nation and democrats say the same thing about republicans. What he fails to take into account, I’m guessing because of willful ignorance, is that republicans have no examples of policies/actions of democrats that support their claims. Whereas democrats can point to January 6th, trumps fake electors scheme, trumps calls to governors to “find” the votes, voter fraud cases that went no where, Supreme Court justices that are actively taking bribes, laws that restrict women’s rights to body autonomy, actual book banning, publicly stating that their congressional investigations were done purely for political reasons, actual collusion with foreign adversaries, a conservative road map that reads like a how-to “overthrow democracy”, outright ignoring the rule of law, refusing to appear before congress after being served subpoenas, pardoning of administration/campaign staff for committing fraud, spreading actual propaganda through the media and news stations, etc, etc

The only reason everyone doesn’t put the guy on ignore is because people on the left always think everyone can be saved and reasoned with. He doesn’t want to be saved, he likes his bubble because it doesn’t require him to think critically or be honest with himself and he’s not alone, there are millions of people just like him with their heads in the sand or both hands in air and proclaiming “both sides”.
You are looking at it from the wrong angle. The point isn't that everybody can be saved, its vowing to save them anyway. Your job isn't to determine who you can write off and who you can't. You just need to hopefully increase someone's chances.
 

NWRMidnight

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2001
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yes yes we've heard this a million times, so it doesn't matter about the changes in the Dem candidate, which are almost all negative from his disapprovals, to now looking mentally incompetent, because Trump is so bad, and we have seen throughout recent history, we can trust the average American voter to know all this stuff about politics and just do the logical and rational thing.This is called living outside of reality.

Good luck winning elections with that attitude.
You keep saying the same thing over and over.. you don't get it.. Replacing Biden will give the election to Trump, proven by History. Why is it that the focus is on Biden's age, based off a single debate that was done late at night, with a man who is recovering not only from a cold, jet lag from international travel, which by the way some take only days to recover from, other's can take weeks. Not his accomplishments over the last 3+ years, etc. Yet, Trump not only has simular issues during normal hours of the day, not having to run a country, doesn't have a cold, isn't traveling around the world, couldn't even stay awake in court, attempted coup, has more moments of word salads than Biden, has been doing everything to bring down democracy, lying with every breath he takes, can't remember his own doctor's name, has a rap sheet full of felonies, etc... The answer is it's a fear tactic to feed off of weak minded voters, which the seed was planted long before the debate..So all they see is Biden's bad debate.. which by the way, Biden did actually answer the quetions, rather than not answering most questions, which Trump did very little of along with 90 minutes of Trump straight up lying. And you are falling for the bullshit line and sinker. And, yes, to be clear, at this particular moment, I am calling you weak minded because you can't see how you are being played and doing exactly what team Trump has manipulated you into doing, along with millions of others.. Why is it that there is very little about Trump and his mile long list of issues? AS much as you want to denie it, you have been programmed to focus on Biden's age, nothing else, and so far, it's working. You and many other's are feeding off it and can't see past it.
 
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