Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

linkgoron · Jul 6, 2024

Indus said:
The GOP lt gov of NC said we need to be killed today.

Anyone else really think that we need to start fighting back instead of just being outraged for 0.5 seconds?

Just buy your AR-15 while you can get them since project 2025 is very real.

Instead we have self-sabotaging Democrats, media peddling a Biden replacement frenzy instead of the daily decline, deceit & danger of Trump dictatorship.

You can't deny his debate appearance, you can't deny some weird stuff that he says. He's too old for the job. He should have never run for another term. Yes, the GOP is terrible, and I would vote for a senile 100 year old cat over anyone in the Republican party, but Biden and the Democratic party have given them an easy target and you need someone better for the "independents" or people on the fence. I'm not sure if a lot of people will vote for Trump instead of Biden, but a lot of potential voters can just choose not to vote - IIRC that's exactly how Clinton lost her election.

They ignored this issue too long and it blew up in their face.

K1052 · Jul 6, 2024

Paratus said:
I do think the Dems should rally behind Biden at this point. If that’s not possible then Biden should work to step down as gracefully as possible and hand over to Kamala. Other than that I have no other great ideas.

These are of course the only practical options on the table.

I am genuinely curious what the outcome would be if one of the parties offered up a person who is not literally insane or ancient that can campaign in a conventionally expected manner.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809746635943211148

Moonbeam · Jul 6, 2024

MrSquished said:
Just because you are definitely slightly racist AND have a hard on for Kamala because she slept with Willy Brown 30 years ago and you are still stuck on it, while giving men a pass for doing far worse, which makes you also pretty damn sexist, we all have to suffer? Fascinating.

And she is not my ideal candidate, and I was hoping for a primary (rightfully so), so that other candidates could rise to the top over her - but she is the only one that is feasible NOW in this election without causing a big fucking mess. But she is way better, along with the right VP, than barely mentally competent Biden, if that.

It's amazing the stuff you know.

Moonbeam · Jul 6, 2024

linkgoron said:
You can't deny his debate appearance, you can't deny some weird stuff that he says. He's too old for the job. He should have never run for another term. Yes, the GOP is terrible, and I would vote for a senile 100 year old cat over anyone in the Republican party, but Biden and the Democratic party have given them an easy target and you need someone better for the "independents" or people on the fence. I'm not sure if a lot of people will vote for Trump instead of Biden, but a lot of potential voters can just choose not to vote - IIRC that's exactly how Clinton lost her election.

They ignored this issue too long and it blew up in their face.

I think people are living in a nightmare they create themselves out of self hate and that all other issues are just subsets of this. If I am right and I sure I am, then nothing of any real importance will ever be addressed. All attempts will be devoted to avoiding all issues somehow. All these truth seekers will run screaming from it if ever faced with it. Take a look at how eager you are to consider these words as factual.

ivwshane · Jul 6, 2024

Moonbeam said:
You are looking at it from the wrong angle. The point isn't that everybody can be saved, its vowing to save them anyway. Your job isn't to determine who you can write off and who you can't. You just need to hopefully increase someone's chances.

I actually agree with this. My bigger point was that he doesn’t want to be “saved” nor do millions of others like him and if there isn’t the faintest of desires to seek the truth, it won’t happen.

BoomerD · Jul 6, 2024

MrSquished said:
Just because you are definitely slightly racist AND have a hard on for Kamala because she slept with Willy Brown 30 years ago and you are still stuck on it, while giving men a pass for doing far worse, which makes you also pretty damn sexist, we all have to suffer? Fascinating.

And she is not my ideal candidate, and I was hoping for a primary (rightfully so), so that other candidates could rise to the top over her - but she is the only one that is feasible NOW in this election without causing a big fucking mess. But she is way better, along with the right VP, than barely mentally competent Biden, if that.

Please quote where I gave men a pass for being whores...DJT is a POS....Bill Clinton was also a manwhore who got no pass from me...although he never should have been dragged into court over it. His whoring around was between him and Hillary.

Indus · Jul 6, 2024

linkgoron said:
You can't deny his debate appearance, you can't deny some weird stuff that he says. He's too old for the job. He should have never run for another term. Yes, the GOP is terrible, and I would vote for a senile 100 year old cat over anyone in the Republican party, but Biden and the Democratic party have given them an easy target and you need someone better for the "independents" or people on the fence. I'm not sure if a lot of people will vote for Trump instead of Biden, but a lot of potential voters can just choose not to vote - IIRC that's exactly how Clinton lost her election.

They ignored this issue too long and it blew up in their face.

TL DR

mindless1 · Jul 6, 2024

BoomerD said:
Please quote where I gave men a pass for being whores...DJT is a POS....Bill Clinton was also a manwhore who got no pass from me...although he never should have been dragged into court over it. His whoring around was between him and Hillary.

Yes, BJ Tuesdays is a common workplace event!

It seems that Stormy is still looking for attention, maybe we should send her Biden's address, lol.

Moonbeam · Jul 6, 2024

ivwshane said:
I actually agree with right, people are too intimidated to try. this. My bigger point was that he doesn’t want to be “saved” nor do millions of others like him and if there isn’t the faintest of desires to seek the truth, it won’t happen.

Then let me add that it isn’t that there is no desire to learn. We are born learning machine. It’s that because of being put down and told we are tools stupid to learn and don’t deserve that birth. Who hate ourselves and telling conservatives they are ignorant, uneducated and have never learned critical thinking only triggers tha feeling. A desire for revenge they are terrified to cop to gives them satisfaction whey they desplay their rear ends to you. “ You can’t fuck this but you know you want to.”

MrSquished · Jul 6, 2024

BoomerD said:
Please quote where I gave men a pass for being whores...DJT is a POS....Bill Clinton was also a manwhore who got no pass from me...although he never should have been dragged into court over it. His whoring around was between him and Hillary.

So when was Kamala Harris married when she was whoring around? I don't remember that part.

I would bet a bunch of money if some male politician slept with someone three decades ago while still single in any kind of risque situation, you would not hold it against them to vote for them. Because it LITERALLY has nothing to do with their job potential now, thirty years later, as a politician. Literally nada, nothing, zilch, zero.

MrSquished · Jul 6, 2024

linkgoron said:
You can't deny his debate appearance, you can't deny some weird stuff that he says. He's too old for the job. He should have never run for another term. Yes, the GOP is terrible, and I would vote for a senile 100 year old cat over anyone in the Republican party, but Biden and the Democratic party have given them an easy target and you need someone better for the "independents" or people on the fence. I'm not sure if a lot of people will vote for Trump instead of Biden, but a lot of potential voters can just choose not to vote - IIRC that's exactly how Clinton lost her election.

They ignored this issue too long and it blew up in their face.

Oh these people can deny. They are so good at their cognitive dissonance, I am actually kind of blown away at the cultiness of them. So many dems, so fucking wacked out, gaslighting everyone else about the reality we have seen and heard, and not just a week ago.

I filled out my paperwork to register as an independent - have to mail it in or drop it off, no email or fax allowed. The rot and failure of this Dem party goes deeper than I ever thought. I honestly did not think this large a chunk of Dems were so fucking gone. It was bad enough that Biden ran again, and then they were warned of exactly THIS situation happening, ignored all the warnings and then the situation happens, and poof, cultists. They think because they are hardcore Dems, everyone that needs to vote will definitely get out and vote for Biden, while completely ignoring the actual electorate we have.

Imagine what a non going senile candidate could do for the dems right now, who can speak well and make Trump look like the idiot he is. Biden certainly can't. He can just look somewhat passable at scripted events. Not even look good really, just somewhat well, ok, I guess maybe the fuel light is on but he has a few miles in him. Who knows if those miles are even enough to get to the election at this point, but their culty faith is super strong lemme tell you.

Some say Kamala can barely speak without a word salad. When asked for evidence, they provide one example of Kamala misspeaking, nothing crazy but a usual politician gaffe, and then think that means anything. And then defend Biden lololol Imagine being worried about Kamala's speaking, but support Biden. Kamala could fail of course, but Biden WILL fail.

Holywood script writers could not come up with how nuts these people are and this situation is with Trump and Biden.

Brainonska511 · Jul 6, 2024

Why is the pundit class so desperate to push Biden out of the race? | Rebecca Solnit

Yes, Biden had a bad debate – but so did Trump. The media is once again repeating the mistakes of 2016

www.theguardian.com

I still maintain that this is largely a media-driven narrative. If Biden were to step down, he's also not going to publicly waffle. It would have to be something that moves quickly, least more people fill their diapers because of the pundit class.

Biden's public appearance have largely been fine post debate (despite some people's unsupported claims that they were entirely scripted). I can certainly appreciate the idea of changing the ticket up, but I don't foresee it being any panacea. The media loves Dems in Disarray stories, and they'll just move into the next one, because horserace bullshit brings clicks.

ondma · Jul 6, 2024

yottabit said:
I feel like everyone keeps forgetting Biden is the incumbent. The election and his approval rating are probably going to come down to however the stock market and jobs reports are doing the week or two before the election, barring any new major catastrophes (either self inflicted or due to global wars/instability)

Previously, being the incumbent was an advantage. With social and journalistic climate we have today, I am not sure that is an advantage anymore. One major reason that Biden was able to defeat Trump in 2020 was that Trump was coming off a terrible handling of the Covid pandemic. Now the situation is reversed. Inflation, the border, international crises, and crime are all blamed, rightly or wrongly on Biden, while the horrible years under Trump are somehow remembered as some great golden age of peace and prosperity. Of course, a big part of the problem is that the Dems have lost touch with a good portion of the middle and working class, and Biden in particular lacks the skills and charisma to project a positive vision and refute the FUD being thrown about by the Reps.

MrSquished · Jul 6, 2024

Brainonska511 said:
Why is the pundit class so desperate to push Biden out of the race? | Rebecca Solnit

Yes, Biden had a bad debate – but so did Trump. The media is once again repeating the mistakes of 2016

www.theguardian.com

I still maintain that this is largely a media-driven narrative. If Biden were to step down, he's also not going to publicly waffle. It would have to be something that moves quickly, least more people fill their diapers because of the pundit class.

Biden's public appearance have largely been fine post debate (despite some people's unsupported claims that they were entirely scripted). I can certainly appreciate the idea of changing the ticket up, but I don't foresee it being any panacea. The media loves Dems in Disarray stories, and they'll just move into the next one, because horserace bullshit brings clicks.

Please tell me how unscripted Biden's appearances were in the last week. Sure he may have had a random interaction here or there unscripted, but the actual events were all scripted for him, making remarks or speaking. The only thing he did not scripted was the not live and pre-taped interview with Stephanopoulos. So tell us all about these other unscripted events he did. And he doesn't even look good at these events anyway. Passable but not good.

Let's keep in mind the debate was on the Biden team's terms primarily, but Joe Biden said he was tired lol

You people are suckers.

Brainonska511 · Jul 6, 2024

MrSquished said:
Please tell me how unscripted Biden's appearances were in the last week. Sure he may have had a random interaction here or there unscripted, but the actual events were all scripted for him, making remarks or speaking. The only thing he did not scripted was the not live and pre-taped interview with Stephanopoulos. So tell us all about these other unscripted events he did. And he doesn't even look good at these events anyway. Passable but not good.

Let's keep in mind the debate was on the Biden team's terms primarily, but Joe Biden said he was tired lol

You people are suckers.

Democrats are idiots who publicly shit their diapers because of arbitrary polling and media narratives all the time. They need to put on their big boy pants and need to stop publicly shooting themselves in the foot and focus on the good things they've done and the deficiencies clearly visible in Trump's campaign and Trump as a candidate. Stop giving into the media frenzy.

The time for fantasy football is over. Need to play with the cards we've been dealt.

yottabit · Jul 6, 2024

MrSquished said:
Please tell me how unscripted Biden's appearances were in the last week. Sure he may have had a random interaction here or there unscripted, but the actual events were all scripted for him, making remarks or speaking. The only thing he did not scripted was the not live and pre-taped interview with Stephanopoulos. So tell us all about these other unscripted events he did. And he doesn't even look good at these events anyway. Passable but not good.

Let's keep in mind the debate was on the Biden team's terms primarily, but Joe Biden said he was tired lol

You people are suckers.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that we realize he’s old and has problems, but still think he’s the best candidate to beat Trump?

One of the huge issues with not having a primary is none of these hypothetical replacement “candidates” have a campaign team spun up… it’s absolute hopium to think they could hit the ground running fast enough campaign-wise

Brainonska511 · Jul 6, 2024

yottabit said:
Why is it so hard for you to accept that we realize he’s old and has problems, but still think he’s the best candidate to beat Trump?

One of the huge issues with not having a primary is none of these hypothetical replacement “candidates” have a campaign team spun up… it’s absolute hopium to think they could hit the ground running fast enough campaign-wise

None of these people even wanted to run in the primary. The DNC can't force candidates to run. And it's not like "being old" wasn't an understood liability.

ondma · Jul 6, 2024

Brainonska511 said:
None of these people even wanted to run in the primary. The DNC can't force candidates to run. And it's not like "being old" wasn't an understood liability.

Or they didn't run because they know the DNC would torpedo their chances.

Brainonska511 · Jul 6, 2024

ondma said:
Or they didn't run because they know the DNC would torpedo their chances.

The DNC is a relatively powerless organization. How could they torpedo anyone's chances?

ivwshane · Jul 6, 2024

ondma said:
Previously, being the incumbent was an advantage. With social and journalistic climate we have today, I am not sure that is an advantage anymore. One major reason that Biden was able to defeat Trump in 2020 was that Trump was coming off a terrible handling of the Covid pandemic. Now the situation is reversed. Inflation, the border, international crises, and crime are all blamed, rightly or wrongly on Biden, while the horrible years under Trump are somehow remembered as some great golden age of peace and prosperity. Of course, a big part of the problem is that the Dems have lost touch with a good portion of the middle and working class, and Biden in particular lacks the skills and charisma to project a positive vision and refute the FUD being thrown about by the Reps.

Do you realize you are spreading fud or are you just repeating talking points you’ve heard from others?

Because the issues you’ve brought up are all better under Biden, factually speaking. In fact your characterization of Biden and Dems seems to be completely off the mark as well, unless you can explain why Dems keep winning political races or why the issues they care about are supported by the public.

ivwshane · Jul 6, 2024

Brainonska511 said:
The DNC is a relatively powerless organization. How could they torpedo anyone's chances?

You haven’t heard? They are a well organized machine with deep state’rs everywhere. They can control who runs for president but they are so weak that they can’t control democrat politicians from disparaging Biden./eye roll

blankslate · Jul 6, 2024

Biden will turn into Mr. Roboto and save us all....

Or something...

_____________

BoomerD · Jul 6, 2024

MrSquished said:
So when was Kamala Harris married when she was whoring around? I don't remember that part.

I would bet a bunch of money if some male politician slept with someone three decades ago while still single in any kind of risque situation, you would not hold it against them to vote for them. Because it LITERALLY has nothing to do with their job potential now, thirty years later, as a politician. Literally nada, nothing, zilch, zero.

Was said hypothetical male politician sleeping with someone to further their career? It always seemed like that was Kamala Harris' goal...

kage69 · Jul 6, 2024

MrSquished said:
will you ever quote me where I said what you accuse me of? you still can't and you won't. just double down and blather on rather than simply use my words.

I said it's insane to imply our candidate doesn't matter due to incoming criticism no matter who it is, because I said with the right candidate we can defeat Trump and at least fight the SC. how is that me taking republican criticism of our candidate to heart when choosing our candidate? that was your accusation of what I said. and where have I ever not handled the realities of a 2 party system? I mean you are just literally making so much shit up in your brain right now it's bonkers.

it's embarrassing and pathetic what the Biden cult has become so quickly.

total fucking lunatics.

I think we have some perspective confusion here, but are you always this bitter and reactionary when called upon to support your position?

Look I provided you the quotes, you just aren't very good at supporting your claims of insanity it seems. Now you're pretending the guy who resents Biden's religious crutch and who has been upfront about his preference for a younger candidate is part of "the Biden cult" ? Seriously?

It does seem embarrassing that you're using terms you don't understand. Likewise, someone making a comment about a by product of extreme partisanship in our 2 party system probably shouldn't enrage you.

There might be some total fucking lunacy here but I think it's more likely you just have thin skin and are prone to outrage.

Indus · Jul 6, 2024

MrSquished said:
So when was Kamala Harris married when she was whoring around? I don't remember that part.

I would bet a bunch of money if some male politician slept with someone three decades ago while still single in any kind of risque situation, you would not hold it against them to vote for them. Because it LITERALLY has nothing to do with their job potential now, thirty years later, as a politician. Literally nada, nothing, zilch, zero.

Oh soon the facts will be, she was whoring out young women for Epstein, while sucking off Bill Gates and getting paychecks from Soros.

Don't assume for one moment.. people are smart. They will disappoint you deeply and then some! She is way more vulnerable than Joe with the average education level and critical thinking ability in our country being utter shit.

Odds of Biden stepping down, being replaced. Choose.

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