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K1052

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And the Repulbicans probably have a Plan B if Trump was to actually die, end up in prison, be exposed (even more?) For whatever crimes he has committed, etc.

Apparently, the Dems do not have a viable Plan B that sits well with enough people that makes us comfy that we don't get another Trump term.

Trump hasn't named a VP yet so it would likely be a free for all and nothing short of physical incapacitation/death is going to keep him off the ticket.

Dem plan B is Kamala. That there is some super secret more electable D out there somewhere that everybody is going to love is just wish casting like people picking "Generic Democrat" on polling above real actual human beings.
 
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compcons

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What blowback? The media and libtards?

FUCK EM!
Again, the fact that this thewad is 37 pages long at this point tells me that the Drms screwed the pooch. This should have been a simple "yep, Joe had to step down in Septemeber because he had to but <insert Rockstar standin> has been doing such amazing things since 2020, so we are good."

Think of VP Biden. He was pretty active and everyone knew what he was while he worked for Obama. We are NOT in that situation and IT WAS AVOIDABLE.
 

compcons

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Trump hasn't named a VP yet so it would likely be a free for all and nothing short of physical incapacitation/death is going to keep him off the ticket.

Dem plan B is Kamala. That there is some super secret more electable D out there somewhere that everybody is going to love is just wish casting like people picking "Generic Democrat" on polling above real actual human beings.
This is my point. Even dumbass me knew this type not scenario was impossible in 2019. This was addressable in 2020! Pick someone. Make them into a desirable candidate just in case. Break glass. Even Kamala could have been propped up over the last 3+ years!
 

Jaskalas

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What blowback? The media and libtards?

FUCK EM!
Anyone who isn't already 100% opposed to Trump, to the point of voting for a dead man.
"Fuck em"

Yeah, that's some big brain energy right there. Who needs a campaign? Who needs a viable candidate? All we need is hate.
 
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gothuevos

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This is my point. Even dumbass me knew this type not scenario was impossible in 2019. This was addressable in 2020! Pick someone. Make them into a desirable candidate just in case. Break glass. Even Kamala could have been propped up over the last 3+ years!

Well didn't they try to send her to help with the border? Should have given her an easier task.
 

kage69

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I think I'm not going to be baited in this loony toon topic, but yes, people voting for Trump aren't going to weigh that as much as other factors. They already knew he was a pig the last time he was elected, so that's just par for the course.

Remember, the US was divided last time, but now Biden won't step down and is becoming a creepy vegetable.

I'm sorry recent election history is uncomfortable to you, but fact is large populations are like large boats: they don't stop or turn on a dime, 99% of the time abrupt changes in course just don't happen. It's a gradual process, with indicators that tell you what's likely in the mail. People voting for Trump aren't who I'm talking about - his base was too small to win in 2020 and it's continued to shrink since then. I'm more concerned about the 41million GenZs who will be old enough to vote this time. Almost half of them are minorities. Also the people who call themselves libertarians. Some of them are outright wierdos, but at the very least they have a healthy aversion to fascism and wanna be dictators.

Well the last time one of the candidates wasn't an insurrectionist, convicted sexual predator or felon with a history of stealing top secret documents, likely for sale. Since 2016 the voter participation has steadily increased and with it fortunes for the GQP have declined. With Trump's reputation for having the maturity of a petulent, spoiled 8 year old (similar attention span and vocabulary too) I think SCOTUS' recent bestowing of King Powers scares more than a few people. Only a cultist would want someone of Trump's mental deficiencies to be above the law. He's proven time and time again he abuses power, while Biden routinely takes a humble, cautious, judicious approach to the powers of office. You didn't see Biden consult with Moscow on who should be in his cabinet, but that's exactly what happened when Cadet Bonespurs oozed into office in 2017.

Remember, Trump has full blown narcisscistic dementia, a drug addiction, zero morals, a criminal sheet longer than I'll detail here, and he does what Putin tells him. I think your threat detection needs work.
 
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Indus

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Again, the fact that this thewad is 37 pages long at this point tells me that the Drms screwed the pooch. This should have been a simple "yep, Joe had to step down in Septemeber because he had to but <insert Rockstar standin> has been doing such amazing things since 2020, so we are good."

Think of VP Biden. He was pretty active and everyone knew what he was while he worked for Obama. We are NOT in that situation and IT WAS AVOIDABLE.

So you're not okay with screwing the pooch but you're okay with screwing the pornstar, underage kids, men in bathrooms, losing rights of what you can do to your body, and replacing a democracy with a dictatorial system of government!

Got it!
 

gothuevos

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It boils down to WI, MI and PA, right? I think Biden can lose GA, AZ and even NV and still hit 270 or 271 with the above. Just funnel all that campaign cash to those 3 states. Probably the only realistic scenario out of everything else proposed in this thread.
 

trenchfoot

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So we have what we have and let's assume Biden stays in no matter what. It seems to me that at this point in time, Biden is still the Democrat's best bet to beat Trump again. Given that, wouldn't it make sense to go all in on Biden now and give him everything he needs to beat Trump. Should Joe win, have him decide then if he should have Harris take the reins and give her at least three years to prove that she has the mettle and abilities to get re-elected? She would have at her disposal all of Biden's network and experience to give her a good solid launch into her presidency and not have to worry about facing Trump because at this point in time she obviously doesn't have the time in grade to prove her worthiness and ability to beat Trump this year.

edit - Just verified that Harris can have two full terms after taking over from Biden if her relief term is less than two years. So she'd have ~ a year and a half of relieving Biden and go for another two full terms to keep the presidency in the blue.
 
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It boils down to WI, MI and PA, right? I think Biden can lose GA, AZ and even NV and still hit 270 or 271 with the above. Just funnel all that campaign cash to those 3 states. Probably the only realistic scenario out of everything else proposed in this thread.

Wrong..

There was a realignment after the 2020 election due to the census. He needs 1 more state:

 
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Moonbeam

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I am long on diaper stocks.
I'm shorting them. We create what we fear and Democrats have told themselves that Biden can't win so they want to replace him with someone even more certain to lose. I'm putting my money on Kleenex and handkerchiefs. The way Democrats find their footing is with a rifle scope.
 

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And the Repulbicans probably have a Plan B if Trump was to actually die, end up in prison, be exposed (even more?) For whatever crimes he has committed, etc.
From what I've seen they plan to vote for the orange goblin even if he were behind bars. My parents are red maga all day long.
Apparently, the Dems do not have a viable Plan B that sits well with enough people that makes us comfy that we don't get another Trump term.
And that lack of foresight is what will earn the orange goblin a 2nd term. Blue maga is just as bad as red maga. I'm so tempted to change my party affiliation back to NPA and be done with both.
 

Indus

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From what I've seen they plan to vote for the orange goblin even if he were behind bars. My parents are red maga all day long.

And that lack of foresight is what will earn the orange goblin a 2nd term. Blue maga is just as bad as red maga. I'm so tempted to change my party affiliation back to NPA and be done with both.

Just move to Japan and watch mangas till maga is done!
 

ondma

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Overturning the Constitution tends to piss people off.
Not enough to vote for Biden apparently. It is shocking how many Reps who denounce Trump, but when pinned down, wont commit to voting for Biden.
I am afraid with the way recent events have unfolded, this sentiment is going to spill over into independents. They may not approve of Trump, but they will either not vote or vote 3rd party.
 

compcons

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So you're not okay with screwing the pooch but you're okay with screwing the pornstar, underage kids, men in bathrooms, losing rights of what you can do to your body, and replacing a democracy with a dictatorial system of government!

Got it!
LOL. I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I think your knee-jerk reaction might be why people like Squished are so defensive. (I think that guy is a raging liberal). A lot of people are mad at how poorly this is going and we have another issue with Sotomayor right around the corner potentially. Not raising hell now will lead to that issue becoming a reality if Trump wins.

As a side note, under NO circumstance would I vote for any Republican. Fed or local. I am an old guy in IL and didn't start voting until Obama. I did because I started to pay attention to just how fucked up Republicans are. I abandoned the thought of ever voting for them as soon as I saw how in lock-step they were (straight voting against things that help Americans, refusing to take impeachment against Trump seriously, etc.). Even the sane ones are trash and enabling bad shit in their party.
 
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ondma

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Anyone who isn't already 100% opposed to Trump, to the point of voting for a dead man.
"Fuck em"

Yeah, that's some big brain energy right there. Who needs a campaign? Who needs a viable candidate? All we need is hate.
Not "hate" really. More like appropriate "fear" of what Trump will do to our country. Just read his tweets. How can anybody support for President someone who has so much hatred and anger in his heart, and has been given freedom to do essentially whatever he wants if elected, by the Supreme Court.
 

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Dem plan B is Kamala. That there is some super secret more electable D out there somewhere that everybody is going to love is just wish casting like people picking "Generic Democrat" on polling above real actual human beings.
Kamala Harris is patently unelectable, mostly from factors beyond her control, like being a woman and a woman of color no less.

BUT ALSO, even aside from the above, she simply presents very, very poorly, imho, and this goes back to 2020 primary, when she most came to my attention.

Please don't blindly go down that path. Politics is a winner-take-all blood sport. We can't afford a second Trump administration.

Kamala's candidacy would bring out every shade of latent and outright bigot we have in this country, and despite some enclaves on both coasts and elsewhere, bigotry is woven throughout our history and deep into our souls, our institutions, our economy.

All that aside, given the alternatives, I would be elated for a Kamala Harris administration, and would vote for her just as many times as I could get away with.
 

iRONic

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Not "hate" really. More like appropriate "fear" of what Trump will do to our country. Just read his tweets. How can anybody support for President someone who has so much hatred and anger in his heart, and has been given freedom to do essentially whatever he wants if elected, by the Supreme Court.
I'm glad you're paying attention now. Right on!

Keep paying attention, you'll figure out WHY they're STILL voting for the tangerine terrorist eventually.
 

Indus

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Kamala Harris is patently unelectable, mostly from factors beyond her control, like being a woman and a woman of color no less.

BUT ALSO, even aside from the above, she simply presents very, very poorly, imho, and this goes back to 2020 primary, when she most came to my attention.

Please don't blindly go down that path. Politics is a winner-take-all blood sport. We can't afford a second Trump administration.

Kamala's candidacy would bring out every shade of latent and outright bigot we have in this country, and despite some enclaves on both coasts and elsewhere, bigotry is woven throughout our history and deep into our souls, our institutions, our economy.

All that aside, given the alternatives, I would be elated for a Kamala Harris administration, and would vote for her just as many times as I could get away with.

Seems the only logical way forward is..

1. Get Sotomayor to step down
2. Put Kam on SCOTUS
3. Get a new VP candidate
4. Get Biden to re-assess if needed

But when have the dems ever been logical?
 
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