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lol, what a joke that 40% IPC was
Hope is not lost yet. Still waiting for the retail chips before commenting on it IIRC. Would really be a surprising last minute twist if it ends up at 40% IPC though.lol, what a joke that 40% IPC was
I feel there's enough info shared to have a pretty decent idea though. The only last remaining complete mystery is pricing. Well, that is, until I managed to get the truth for you all here.Hope is not lost yet. Still waiting for the retail chips before commenting on it IIRC. Would really be a surprising last minute twist if it ends up at 40% IPC though.
Thanks for anchoring the prices at that level. Now AMD cannot go above it at least. Would have preferred $399 for the 9950X though when you were setting the bar anyway.I feel there's enough info shared to have a pretty decent idea though. The only last remaining complete mystery is pricing. Well, that is, until I managed to get the truth for you all here.
Why stop there? $299 9950XThanks for anchoring the prices at that level. Now AMD cannot go above it at least. Would have preferred $399 for the 9950X though when you were setting the bar anyway.
Thanks for lowering the bar. On WTFTech in a few minutes, and then AMD will have to update the MSRP accordingly.Why stop there? $299 9950X
X3D Is the new premium option therefore.
If true, then what will AMD release as mid-life kicker instead of X3D?Yes.
That was my conclusion too, when I saw that pricing, it seems apparent that AMD is shifting V-Cache parts from niche to "mainstream to premium", while regular Zen 5 is shifting to "budget to mainstream" segments.
And Intel is being relegated to competing only in the lower segments.
If true, then what will AMD release as mid-life kicker instead of X3D?
Or are we expecting a more or less full Zen5 lineup within ~2 months of first SKU release (assuming X3D will be released in September), and then nothing of major importance until Zen6?
Nothing to combat the expected Arrow Lake Refresh?
The question is can Arrow Lake Refresh can even beat Zen 5x3d.Nothing to combat the expected Arrow Lake Refresh?
Feels like 2018.
I feel there's enough info shared to have a pretty decent idea though. The only last remaining complete mystery is pricing. Well, that is, until I managed to get the truth for you all here.
I noticed on Best Buy someone has posted photos and reviews of a HX370 laptop
Benchmarks:
Lightroom export 156 24MP RAW: 2 min 16 seconds
Lightroom AI denoise: 11 seconds
Geekbench 6 Single core: 2886
Geekbench 6 Multi core: 15279
Geekbench 6 GeForce 4060 Vulcan 91219 / OpenCL 87042
Geekbench 6 890M Vulcan 46290 / OpenCL 42932
GeekbenchML CPU 3452 (no NPU)
GeekbenchML 890M 7347
GeekbenchML GeForce 4060 12087
Crystaldiskmark 5037 MB/s read 3033 MB/s write
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You have to select “see all customer reviews” (it’s the 2nd review item), but here is the direct, direct link:where did you get those numbers from?
If X3D parts are ready within a few months, what would be the justification of holding them back a year?
The first quote says AMD ought to release Zen5X3D as soon as the chip is ready. But then the second quote says the regular Zen5 was ready already in early 2023, but is not released until now in July 2024.Other alternatives stem from what @Kepler_L2 posted here earlier, that the Zen 5 A0 silicon was already out in early 2023.
For the first bullet, do you mean just frequency bumps or did you have something else in mind?- newer stepping's of Zen 5, could be released as xx50 parts (7750x)
- since Zen 5 was ready so long ago, Zen 6 may be further along the way of the development, and will be released after a shorter time interval after Zen 5.
I still can’t find any performance numbers just picture of the laptopYou have to select “see all customer reviews” (it’s the 2nd review item), but here is the direct, direct link:
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You have to select into the ellipses. But here you go (it’s in the 2nd image):I still can’t find any performance numbers just picture of the laptop
Exactly this. Some rumor came out that Zen 2 was going to be stupidly low priced and so many people bought it. People thought I was an idiot for suggesting otherwise (not on this forum).
If those prices are accurate, I'll eat a can of cat food. I would guess more like $250/350/500/600 (maybe even 650) respectively. Maybe we should make a Google doc like the one where we put in IPC/clock guesses so we can see how wrong we all end up being .
Knowledgeable people would stop buying. Not the regular crowd. It's not like local PC shop will advise their customers to skip Zen 4 and wait a week or two for Zen 5. I bet there will be people who buy Zen 4 with online Zen 5 recommendations staring them in the face because they have no idea what Zen 5 is coz their best friend/family techie recommended Zen 4 and that's what they are gonna buy. I've seen far too many people being happy buying old tech out of ignorance. Makes it really hard for me to keep my mouth shut when they tell me what a deal they scored. I tried it a few times. They end up getting the feeling that I'm jealous of their purchaseBut if Zen 5 is targeting Zen 4 street prices, then people would absolutely stop buying Zen 4, for 2 months, waiting for Zen 5.
The play is to wait for Zen 5 to release. Then wait for the Zen 4 bundle deals with CPU, motherboard and 32GB of memory deals. Then wait up to 6 months to replace the Zen 4 CPU with a Zen 5 CPU.Knowledgeable people would stop buying. Not the regular crowd. It's not like local PC shop will advise their customers to skip Zen 4 and wait a week or two for Zen 5. I bet there will be people who buy Zen 4 with online Zen 5 recommendations staring them in the face because they have no idea what Zen 5 is coz their best friend/family techie recommended Zen 4 and that's what they are gonna buy. I've seen far too many people being happy buying old tech out of ignorance. Makes it really hard for me to keep my mouth shut when they tell me what a deal they scored. I tried it a few times. They end up getting the feeling that I'm jealous of their purchase
Here's a car radiator for you, just $100 here (you can also buy bykski 1080 battery for roughly the same, but it'd be worse in terms of fin area )
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Let's skip the covid this time around.Feels like 2018.
I can't imagine the weight of a copper car radiator 😳😳Just a barely on topic FYI: there are many reasons why wc wackos may use a MO-RA3 420 or similar over a car radiator. The big one is that unless you get a copper radiator, you are going to be a very unhappy customer when you mix aluminum and copper in your wc loop. So when you are running your Zen5 ES, please don't use an actual car radiator (which are mostly aluminum, and have been for a very long time)! Thanks.
Let's skip the covid this time around.
X3D is a DIY desktop thing aka tiny niche. So a marketing gain might outweigh any lost sales.Over the period of a year, this will amount to millions in sales for AMD - or alternatively millions of lost sales. Millions of lost sales sacrificed at the altar of some great marketing strategy.