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M1->M4 is +38% clock alone, plus incremental iso-clock improvements. What's peak x86 ST done in the same time?
There's no secret to that.Is this more "x86 is secretly way ahead at REAL applications" stuff?
Since when do higher Clock numbers directly translate to improvement in newer architecture?
And unironically, that's proving the point. Throwing more clock speed at the problem with no significant gains and it was proved by Apple themselves when they didn't even bother to compare M4 to M3 in their presentation, and later on when independent researchers/enthusiasts proved that except for the gains from NPU in certain tasks, it's close to no gains in all other areas.
There's no secret to that.
M1->M4 is +38% clock alone, plus incremental iso-clock improvements. What's peak x86 ST done in the same time?
Zen 2 -> Zen 5 is ~85% ST improvement IPC + clocks.
Nifty. Not bad at all. That GB6?
They disabled their account.Why did SarahKerrigan go grey with a line through it? or anyone for that matter, what causes that?
Thank you, always wondered what it meant.They disabled their account.
Thank you, always wondered what it meant.
Well it should go into a generic IPC Apple v x86 thread imo, or just a plain IPC thread.IMO, the whole reason why Lunar exists is because of M1. It will continue to exist thru panther lake and so on on the U series.
AMD and Intel consider Apple to be a competitor in mobile because they end up in the top 5 of IDC charts. While some here don’t use Apple that doesn’t mean some can’t discuss it here. Especially since AMD wanted reviewers to use M3 in the CPU benchmarks. All of us here know that not all windows applications can run on M chips but some are taking it too personal. x86 won’t die it will continue to get better if there is pressure from other ISA’s but seems like people are not pleased when AMD isn’t at top of the charts.
M1->M4 is +38% clock alone, plus incremental iso-clock improvements. What's peak x86 ST done in the same time?
Doesn't Strix Point? How was the MALL to work without that?
Recalling how the twitter debates looked in year 2020 with the types of Maynard Handley (lol) or Jon Masters (a bit more regrettable) posting those "increasing GHz is STUPID" / "Intel only knows how to GHZ" comments left and right.... fast forward to today, 2024 - it is at least a bit amusing.That's true. People keep obsessing over IPC when it is only one component (albeit a very nice component) of performance.
It doesn't.
No, 4C is becoming the standard from either vendor.
Yea.assuming Kraken will be AMD's volume part
Lmao no very different segments.and also competing with Lunar Lake.
Yeah but that ain't free either.Is it possible for Kraken to have 4 full and 4c cores on one ring, with one 16 MB L3 cache?
What's the difference except the size that SOC + RAM take up on a PCB? PL1 (17W) and PL2 (30W) seem similar to some current strix laptops, Kraken is probably in the same vein.Lmao no very different segments.
Lmao no very different segments.
Yeah but that ain't free either.
Starting from Strix Point, and dropping 4 Dense cores, and not dropping the separate L3 for Dense cores would be very dumb.
Hopefully, since AMD is taking extra 6 months to release Kraken, AMD is using this time to get this level of optimization. It is investment of resources, but if AMD has an ambition of moving the needle on market share significantly, and succeeds by shipping Kraken in high volume, those investment would be repaid.
Not to mention the fact that Kraken would be more performance competitive with only a single ring bus and only a single L3 cache.
Biggest problem for mobile isn't performance but battery life. Having separate low-power cluster will extend battery life as it can optimized better for low power and high performing parts can clock gated when not needed. But AMD's strix point version of that idea is not ideal - why have 8 cores on low power cluster making it to use more power and same time lower high perfromance mode?
You don't need nasty PM to get frustrated by the way some people behave on this forum. Brand loyalty seems to have very adverse effects and sometimes makes reasonable technical discussion very difficult. That's also why Andrei left the forum some years ago.Sudden, some nasty PMs?
Not that i want to extend the OT but hope that she ll get here again at some point, her posts are often very insightfull.You don't need nasty PM to get frustrated by the way some people behave on this forum. Brand loyalty seems to have very adverse effects and sometimes makes reasonable technical discussion very difficult. That's also why Andrei left the forum some years ago.
That won't change a thing here for most, they'll stay in their bubble. But the loss of Sarah is significant.
Sorry for being off topic, but I humbly think it was worth saying.