Trump/Republicans plans not to certify the 2024 election.

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It wouldn't be viewed by Republicans as a coup, because they wouldn't know what a coup was, even if their leader created elaborate plans to subvert an election and whipped up an angry mob to take down Congress during an election certification vote.

"It was just a sparkling riot."
Yeah we are into the whole “one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist” terittory..
 
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VRAMdemon

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The plan would be to disrupt congressional certification and throw the election to a vote by state delegations. House “state delegations.” Like what almost happened last time, “no valid certification on January 6th, let the states decide.”

Some MAGA election official refuses to certify a county in a battleground state. Repeat in a couple more states. The states are thus unable to do a final and official certification to send to Congress. No candidate gets the required number of electoral votes, and the election is thrown to the House, where each state delegation gets one vote. Since the Republicans have more states they would give the election to Trump. They have to count the votes on January 6th. If the states don’t certify and send to Congress, I’m not sure what even a good VP could do in that situation.

If I understand correctly, The electors themselves don’t certify the election. They just cast a ballot and there are laws about faithless electors. In most states, each party already have a slate of electors ready before the election. Our votes determine which slate. Or should - there were shenanigans attempted the last time on this one as well.

It’s up to each state to determine how to certify. Most go through their Secretaries of State and there’s some potential shenanigans there too.

The thing they tried in 2020 was claiming that “alternate” slates of electors were the actual ones. Dozens of those fake “alternate” electors have now been criminally charged.

It’s one of the things Rudy Giuliani is in trouble for. Arizona has criminally charged him, among others, with scheming to set up those fake electors. They had similar operations going on in the battleground states.
 

eelw

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The plan would be to disrupt congressional certification and throw the election to a vote by state delegations. House “state delegations.” Like what almost happened last time, “no valid certification on January 6th, let the states decide.”

Some MAGA election official refuses to certify a county in a battleground state. Repeat in a couple more states. The states are thus unable to do a final and official certification to send to Congress. No candidate gets the required number of electoral votes, and the election is thrown to the House, where each state delegation gets one vote. Since the Republicans have more states they would give the election to Trump. They have to count the votes on January 6th. If the states don’t certify and send to Congress, I’m not sure what even a good VP could do in that situation.
But it’s moot if he manages to attempt to cheat in Georgia or Nevada or Arizona. As long as the blue wall rust belt holds, Harris has 270
 

Dave_5k

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But it’s moot if he manages to attempt to cheat in Georgia or Nevada or Arizona. As long as the blue wall rust belt holds, Harris has 270
That model assumes Harris takes Nebraska district 2 ~ which isn't a certainty. Could also end up in a 269-269 tie scenario.
 
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Indus

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That model assumes Harris takes Nebraska district 2 ~ which isn't a certainty. Could also end up in a 269-269 tie scenario.

Yeah that's why I'm not as high on Kam as much as others.. I don't look at polls.. I look at maps.

She needs the blue wall + nevada or arizona.

Technically FL and TX should be in play but obviously rigged by shenanigans.
 

repoman0

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It’s civil war if the house overturns the vote and Biden has a lot of new powers in that case. Not going to worry about this fantasy scenario.
 
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pmv

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They didn't.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

'Make your voices heard' to what end? What were the voices supposed to be saying? Along with "hang Mike Pence" they mostly seemed to be saying "don't certify the vote, don't accept the election results". i..e the "voices" were demanding a coup.
 
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ivwshane

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'Make your voices heard' to what end? What were the voices supposed to be saying? Along with "hang Mike Pence" they mostly seemed to be saying "don't certify the vote, don't accept the election results". i..e the "voices" were demanding a coup.

If you ignore what everyone who has been charged/convicted said about Trump’s words, then it was a peaceful request. Ignorance makes feels real
 
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Dave_5k

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They want to throw in doubt bases on "because we said so"
Yep, Republicans have deliberately blocked fast election results in Pennsylvania and now apparently Georgia. Pennsylvania, which is quite likely to not only be close, but could very well swing the election, is still prohibited due to repeated Republican blocking votes, from processing mail-in ballots until election day. Which means it could easily be 2 or more days after the election before results are known.
 
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Yep, Republicans have deliberately blocked fast election results in Pennsylvania and now apparently Georgia. Pennsylvania, which is quite likely to not only be close, but could very well swing the election, is still prohibited due to repeated Republican blocking votes, from processing mail-in ballots until election day. Which means it could easily be 2 or more days after the election before results are known.
They're constantly trying to sow doubt using the general public's notion that results somehow must come on and only on election night, despite the length of time between elections, certifications, and people taking oaths of office.
 
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pcgeek11

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The rule states that the board can only certify an election “after reasonable inquiry that the tabulation and canvassing of the election are complete and accurate and that the results are a true and accurate accounting of all votes cast in that election.”

Why would this be an issue. Don't we all want "true and accurate accounting of all votes cast".
 

Indus

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Why would this be an issue.

Your orange god wants nothing to be certified, no matter what.

Why? Because it helps show democracy and voting doesn't work and we supposedly need a new kind of government.. an authoritarian one headed by him.

Sounds totally reasonable too, doesn't it?

Seig Heil, mein fuhrer!
 
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pcgeek11

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Your orange god wants nothing to be certified, no matter what.

Why? Because it helps show democracy and voting doesn't work and we supposedly need a new kind of government.. an authoritarian one headed by him.

Sounds totally reasonable too, doesn't it?

Seig Heil, mein fuhrer!

So you are against the election being complete and accurate and that the results are a true and accurate accounting of all votes cast in that election.
 

linkgoron

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So you are against the election being complete and accurate and that the results are a true and accurate accounting of all votes cast in that election.
Is there any reason to believe that results haven't been accurate and complete until now, or is this just a way to jam the elections, delay, and sow distrust in the election results if they don't go GOP?

According to state law they only have a week to certify the results, how do you do a "reasonable inquiry" in a week? Who decides what a "reasonable inquiry" is? I have a feeling that somehow blue districts will "need inquiry" (who decides what needs to get inquired?) and might not get certified until what the law requires...
 

ivwshane

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So you are against the election being complete and accurate and that the results are a true and accurate accounting of all votes cast in that election.

So if there is a question, legit or not, then they don’t have to certify the election results, right?

Now use your smooth brain and see if you can figure out why that might be an issue. We’ll wait the three pages of non responses for you to respond.
 
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brycejones

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So you are against the election being complete and accurate and that the results are a true and accurate accounting of all votes cast in that election.
No one here is opposed to that as a concept and you know it.

Now name one theory as pushed by Trump and his supporters claiming that standard hasn’t been met that actually held up under examination in 2020. The concern is using arguments not based on reality to hold up certification.
 

Fenixgoon

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The rule states that the board can only certify an election “after reasonable inquiry that the tabulation and canvassing of the election are complete and accurate and that the results are a true and accurate accounting of all votes cast in that election.”

Why would this be an issue. Don't we all want "true and accurate accounting of all votes cast".
Strange that you elected not to bold "reasonable inquiry"...
 
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pmv

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I doubt Americans are capable of a "civil war".

Granted, I'm presuming a civil war is one where everyone is terribly polite and well-mannered while shooting at each other? As in "just because we're trying to kill each other doesn't mean we can't remain civil". Just can't see Americans going in for that. Canadians, I could imagine managing it.
 
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