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Alex Ziskind put out a video on his experience in trying to buy a Snapdragon Dev Kit:


Basically it was supposed to be shipped to him on July, but due to stock issues it didn't. Also the website through which the Dev Kit is being sold (Arrow) seems to be having issues with this item.
 

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Tweet from Patrick Moore head (analyst)

This is a very important next step for Qualcomm
It needed to stick the positioning first with Elite X (which it did) and then do the follow-through to hit more mainstream price points.

To be the most successful in PCs, Qualcomm will need to:
- have a good-better-best product strategy longer-term that hits more price points (to make it work financially, do margin averaging across the portfolio)
-enter desktops (we heard CA hint at this at Computex)
-scale marketing and sales appropriately, particularly for the enterprise
-continue to chip away at the long-tail apps that need optimized, in conjunction with Arm and Microsoft

The senior leaders at OEMs I talk with want to see the company in the position to be a 30% MSS player. OEMs want three, well-funded vendors to increase competition, lower risk, increase innovation, and lower cost.
That last bit is very interesting (MSS = Marketshare)
 

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Good thing SDXE flopped as well, eh?
Cristiano! Gerard! Where are my fanless laptops? My ears are bleeding from this lack of silence.

I'm replying in this thread because I didn't want to derail the Intel thread. But of course it's not good for buyers that QC didn't even match M3. It is looking to be a sad year for everyone. Even Apple has yet to put M4 in laptops. Surely they'll do it but PCs seem to be low on the priority list for everyone.
 

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Cristiano! Gerard! Where are my fanless laptops? My ears are bleeding from this lack of silence.

I'm replying in this thread because I didn't want to derail the Intel thread. But of course it's not good for buyers that QC didn't even match M3. It is looking to be a sad year for everyone. Even Apple has yet to put M4 in laptops. Surely they'll do it but PCs seem to be low on the priority list for everyone.
Hey, you can atleast pick up one of these Snapdragon laptops on a nice diacount:


 
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Mobile Laptop
PremiumPakala/Sun
(8 Gen 4)
Hamoa
Mainstream???Purwa
Do you guys think Snapdragon 7 Gen 4 will get Oryon?
 
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*Benchmark numbers for M chips obtained from Geekerwan.
**M2 has been taken as baseline for calculating percentages.
Edit: GB5 performance numbers for X1E-84 (Linux):
 
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My source just updated me with XE G2 roadmap which are supposedly launching in H1 2026. There are two SoCs planned:

1. SoC codenamed Glymur:
  • Higher tier than Hamoa
  • 18 cores CPU (6L+6L+6M), cluster of six
  • 192-bit LPDDR5x (don't know final speed yet)
  • Full DX12U features including hardware RT

2. SoC codenamed Mahua
  • Hamoa successor
  • 12 cores CPU (6L+6M), cluster of six
  • 128-bit LPDDR5x (don't know final speed yet)
  • Full DX12U features including hardware RT
That's all I know atm, at least we have an idea what Qualcomm are planning in 2026. Again, treat this as rumor until real thing happens.
 
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1. SoC codenamed Glymur:
  • Higher tier than Hamoa
  • 18 cores CPU (6L+6L+6M), cluster of six
  • 192-bit LPDDR5x (don't know final speed yet)
  • Full DX12U features including hardware RT
True or not, it sounds good!

Something to dream about

Though at least a year late than it should be.
 

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My source just updated me with XE G2 roadmap which are supposedly launching in H1 2026. There are two SoCs planned:

1. SoC codenamed Glymur:
  • Higher tier than Hamoa
  • 18 cores CPU (6L+6L+6M), cluster of six
  • 192-bit LPDDR5x (don't know final speed yet)
  • Full DX12U features including hardware RT

2. SoC codenamed Mahua
  • Hamoa successor
  • 12 cores CPU (6L+6M), cluster of six
  • 128-bit LPDDR5x (don't know final speed yet)
  • Full DX12U features including hardware RT
That's all I know atm, at least we have an idea what Qualcomm are planning in 2026. Again, treat this as rumor until real thing happens.

My analysis of the leak

First of all, I'd like to thank Tigerick for bringing this leak to us. After taking the obligatory grain of salt, let us dive in;

1. There are 2 SoCs: Mahua and Glymur

Clearly, they are successors of Purwa and Hamoa, respectively. Looking at the memory buses (128b and 192b), it seems like there will be more differentiation between the small die and big die. This is in contrast to Purwa and Hamoa, both of which use the same 128b memory bus as far as I know (although Purwa maxes out at 7500 MT/s, while Hamoa can go upto 8448 MT/s).

2. The CPU is using larger clusters and real E-cores

Each CPU cluster has 6 cores, which is an upgrade from the 4 core clusters in Hamoa/Purwa. This is not surprising, especially after seeing what Apple has been doing with M3 Pro (6P+6E) and M3 Max (6P+6P+4E).

The other notable thing is that it seems these SoCs use "real E-cores". Qualcomm doesn't seem to use the P/E nomenclature for their big/small cores, but instead this L/M thing. I suppose L stands Large, and M stands for Medium. As a reminder, Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 has 2* Phoenix-L and 6* Phoenix-M. So these cores in Mahua/Glymur should be the next generation Pegasus-L and Pegasus-M.

3. Memory bus size has been upgraded to 192b

Glymur has a 192b memory bus, a 50% increase from that of Hamoa's 128b. Now it is LPDDR5X, not LPDDR6 as I was hoping for. It absolutely makes sense though, because using LPDDR6 in a 2026H1 laptop would be difficult. Supply would be limited, it would be very expensive and the timing would be tight (laptop chips have to be sampling to OEMs 12 months before releasing).

The fastest LPDDR5X in the market is Samsung's LPDDR5X-10667, and mating that to Glymur's 192b memory bus would yield an incredible 256 GB/s of memory bandwidth, almost twice that of Snapdragon X Elite (135 GB/s), and nipping at the heels of Strix Halo (273 GB/s)!

This large amount of bandwidth is a good sign that Qualcomm is seemingly investing in a beefy laptop class GPU, instead of overclocking a smartphone GPU as they did in X Elite.

A word on capacities; considering the 128b/192b buses of Mahua/Glymur, we can guess that laptops with it will start with 16 GB / 24 GB of RAM. By using the highest density LPDDR5X modules, they could support upto 128 GB / 192 GB of RAM.

4. Adreno 800 series based GPU architecture

Full DirectX12 Ultimate feature set and Hardware accelerated Ray tracing sounds good. Considering the circumstances, the GPU is quite obviously based on the Adreno 800 series architecture (Hamoa/Purwa's GPU is based on the Adreno 700 series architecture).

Architectural improvements of Adreno 800 seem to be massive (including greatly improved FP32 performance, which would help in PC games). Hopefully, this would mean more games run without a hitch on Snapdragon X2 laptops.

5. The 2026H1 release date

We can guess it would be announced at the 2025 Snapdragon Summit, and then be released in 2026H1, which is similar to what happened with X Elite (announcement in 2023 Snapdragon Summit, and release in 2024 June).

I do hope that 2026H1 means sometime around CES (January), instead of Computex (June). A computex release sounds very late (full 2 years after X Elite's release). Intel's Panther Lake is rumoured to land in late 2025/early 2026, so I hope Snapdragon X2 comes in time to challenge it!

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1. SoC codenamed Glymur:
  • Higher tier than Hamoa
2. SoC codenamed Mahua
  • Hamoa successsor
is that something your source told you, or is it something you guessed?

If Glymur slots into a higher tier than Hamoa, and Mahua is the direct Hamoa successor, then there might be a third die that is the Purwa successor.
 
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then there might be a third die that is the Purwa successor.
Why bother? They could do the same thing that AMD's been doing.

Zen 2 rebadged as 5500U with DDR4 and then rebadged further as 7520U with DDR5. I wouldn't be surprised if they release 8520U with minor improvements (maybe smaller process).
 

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Snapdragon X X1-24-100

I guess it's the lowest end SKU of Purwa, without the Pro (I think) moniker.

Snapdragon X Basic:

2 + 4 (2 Clusters. One cluster with 2 deactivated cores)
Adreno X1L (Light) - 768 FP32@1GHz
64-bit memory bus LPDDR5X 8448
40 TOPs NPU
Considering the leaks of the 2nd gen... maybe lowest config will be 4+4 but with very low clock speed. Heck, even on phones all their chips are octa core
 

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Canim?
The X Elite and X Plus chips, used for Windows on ARM (WOA), will reach about 2 million unit shipments in 2024, with expected year-on-year growth of at least 100–200% in 2025. The X Elite and X Plus will have modified versions in 2025, with a reduction in end product prices. Additionally, Qualcomm plans to launch a low-cost WOA processor codenamed Canim for mainstream models (priced between $599–799) in 4Q25. This low-cost chip, manufactured on TSMC’s N4 node, will retain the same AI processing power as the X Elite and X Plus (40 TOPS).
 

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is that something your source told you, or is it something you guessed?

If Glymur slots into a higher tier than Hamoa, and Mahua is the direct Hamoa successor, then there might be a third die that is the Purwa successor.
Or perhaps it's not as simple as that. Perhaps they are rebalancing through CPU and GPU.

If you look at the X Elite, this is what you'll see:

The CPU is extremely strong (M Max class), combined with a weak GPU (base M class).

So if we look at it CPU wise,

Purwa -> Mahua
8L -> 6L+6M

Hamoa -> Glymur
12L -> 12L+6M

It is reasonable to say that Mahua is the Purwa succesor, and Glymur is the Hamoa successor.

So CPU wise, Mahua would vie with M5, and Glymur would vie with M5 Max.

Now if we look at it GPU wise, Mahua would indeed appear to be the Hamoa successor. Both have 128b memory buses, and the GPU performance would be base M chip class.

Glymur has a 50% larger memory bus, and presumably a meatier GPU to go along with it. I'd presume the GPU graduates to being M Pro class.

GPU wise, Mahua would vie with M5, and Glymur with M5 Pro.
 

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Signal65 ran benchmarks using the new Geekbench AI, comparing Snapdragon X Elite to Intel, AMD and Apple processors.



 
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