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Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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Mostly crappy, cartoony games. Maybe some of them have good gameplay. The taxi one looked interesting.

By the way, how do we know that you didn't tone down the settings to make the texture load lighter?
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Hitchy, blurry, pixellated mess of a slideshow.

Doesn't help your cause. Sorry.

A more experienced development team could have made this benchmark run better.
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It's a 4770k, with a slight overclock to 4.5GHz and 1866 ram, it struggled to handle my playstyle in AC: Odyssey; a 6yr old game.
 
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Asking for 8GB cards being priced cheaply enough, is a generic statement. WHICH of all 8GB cards do you want to be priced cheaply enough? If the 6600 starts at 200, how much do you want the more capable and more feature complete 8GB cards to cost? Vram is not the uttermost specification to dictate prices. See above in Wukong, top 8GB card vs last 8GB have a 2X performance difference. Top 12GB card has 2.5X difference with the last 12GB card. Vram means nothing as far pricing goes.

8GBs are still quite capable, to fit a considerable amount of visual data and along with correct settings that are mandatory anyway, will provide a pleasurable experience.

And no I never said lets go for 1000 coins 8GB cards. Don't stretch my words please.
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Don't refuse to answer, commit. What price? Don't use weak words to answer, use a firm price range for 8GB cards.

I can stretch words also, if "Vram means nothing as far pricing goes", then give me more, not less.
 
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WuKong is a fantastic looking game. The LOD on everything is impressive. It makes me dubious that the VRAM usage in the bench is going to reflect the gaming experience.

At medium the pop-in is obtrusive. At high the shadows level can break immersion as it changes up close on some objects. Very high is the sweet spot. Cinematic does not bring anything worth the extra hit. RT is not value added IMO either. They need to separate shadows, reflections, and lighting, or I will leave it off entirely. Especially given how it tanks performance. The ambiance on very high is pleasing to my eyes, it's how I'd play.

FG IMO will be problematic due to all of the foliage, but I will wait to see what the rest of you think about it in this title. The camera moves slow in the bench, and fast movement is going to expose it is my guess.

4K cinematic with FG and anti-lag should be fully playable using a controller on my setup.



FSR works much better than TSR for me too.
 
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psolord said:
Asking for 8GB cards being priced cheaply enough, is a generic statement. WHICH of all 8GB cards do you want to be priced cheaply enough? If the 6600 starts at 200, how much do you want the more capable and more feature complete 8GB cards to cost? Vram is not the uttermost specification to dictate prices. See above in Wukong, top 8GB card vs last 8GB have a 2X performance difference. Top 12GB card has 2.5X difference with the last 12GB card. Vram means nothing as far pricing goes.

8GBs are still quite capable, to fit a considerable amount of visual data and along with correct settings that are mandatory anyway, will provide a pleasurable experience.

And no I never said lets go for 1000 coins 8GB cards. Don't stretch my words please.
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how about this:

no 8GB cards over $300 US. Everything from mid range on up needs to have a minimum of 12GB or more.

Nvidia will soon be launching the 5000 series and next year AMD will be launching the RDNA4 series. The last thing I ever want to see is a 5060 Ti with 8GB at any price.
 
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Iron Woode said:
how about this:

no 8GB cards over $300 US. Everything from mid range on up needs to have a minimum of 12GB or more.

Nvidia will soon be launching the 5000 series and next year AMD will be launching the RDNA4 series. The last thing I ever want to see is a 5060 Ti with 8GB at any price.
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There should be an 'affordable' 1080p max card

In this gen it was the 6800 16gb which sold for as low as $350

I suspect Navi 32 will sell in parallel to RDNA 4.
If that is the case, the 7700xt could sell for $350 (or lower)

Navi 44 would likely have 4060 ti 8gb level performance in raster & RT & sell for $300

I guess nvidia might just rebadge the 4060 ti 8gb as 5060 & sell for $300
Likewise rebadge the 4070 (with cheaper gddr) as 5060 ti & sell for $400
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Mostly crappy, cartoony games. Maybe some of them have good gameplay. The taxi one looked interesting.

By the way, how do we know that you didn't tone down the settings to make the texture load lighter?
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All the above screenshots are at maxed settings Igor.

You know, because I tell you so. I may be disputing this thread, but if I see something really bad against 8GB cards in general, I will say it.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Hitchy, blurry, pixellated mess of a slideshow.

Doesn't help your cause. Sorry.

A more experienced development team could have made this benchmark run better.
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Use the higher bitrate options. Image quality is fine and the stream was uploaded raw. If anything, you can clearly see the difference between various options and of course, how vram is irrelevant, while the performance still tanks.

Other than that, you are being dismissive and are deflecting as usual.
 
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It's a 4770k, with a slight overclock to 4.5GHz and 1866 ram, it struggled to handle my playstyle in AC: Odyssey; a 6yr old game.
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The 4770k of the above example, has nothing to do with the bad performance of the video card. If anything, it would inhibit the performance, when the framerate was starting to get better, due to the correct settings.

Please see the comparison shot again.



The left one, which also looks worse, is the one with the native res at cinematic settings. The right one, with the correct settings, lools even better while being 2.32X faster. This is why I insist, to not crank everything over 9000.
 
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maddie said:
Don't refuse to answer, commit. What price? Don't use weak words to answer, use a firm price range for 8GB cards.

I can stretch words also, if "Vram means nothing as far pricing goes", then give me more, not less.
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This thread is about vram. Not price to performance ratio.

Still, how can one commit? 1080p for which games and at what settings? Do you want correct settings or FAFO settings? Did you see Wukong results above? They updated with a 4090 too.



Congratulations. The 4090 is now a 1080p card and still has framedrops.

You will all have to make up your mind. What do you want? Do you want a reasonable gaming experience with correct settings or you want maxed out everything? Because the difference between the two is like 1000$.
 
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Iron Woode said:
how about this:

no 8GB cards over $300 US. Everything from mid range on up needs to have a minimum of 12GB or more.

Nvidia will soon be launching the 5000 series and next year AMD will be launching the RDNA4 series. The last thing I ever want to see is a 5060 Ti with 8GB at any price.
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Sir, once again, it is NOT about the vram. I am telling you where things are going and everyone is refusing to see. Yet you applaud silly tests with ridiculous settings.

See Wukong above. Do you want maxed 1080p? Get a 4090 at 300$. Can you?

Can you settle without using RT? Good! Here are the non RT results, with VRAM analysis.






You don't need a 30 minute run to make heads or tails out of this. You need 4070ti super and ABOVE, for 1080p no RT. VRAM is at 6GBs.

A 5060ti, even with 8GBs, will not be able to run this, without correct settings anyway.
 
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poke01 said:
I bet it’s gonna surface again next month when god of war launches
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Next month is too late. How about now?

Here is a new one. This one is Cry Engine 5.11.



I mean, this thread was all about how more vram will provide a better future proofing amirite? I don't see much future proofing at the 28fps of the 3060....

The 3060ti is still 36% faster.

Vram is at 6-7GBs.

PS We know what will happen with GOW Ragnarok. They will use bloated assets like they do with most PS ecosystem games. Yes when the PS comes anywhere close to facing true next gen, it goes tits up. Here is the Black Myth Wukong PC vs PS comparison (not mine-don't ban me)


- On a visual level, PS5 would be at a medium/high level compared to PC settings (Low - Medium - PS5 - High - Ultra - Cinematic). However, it presents some textures below the low PC level. <-lol
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- The resolution of the performance mode on PS5 can drop below 720p, but I still consider it the most recommended mode to play.
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- Quality Mode: Common 1440p/30fps upscaled to 2160p- Balanced Mode: Common 1080p/45fps upscaled to 2160p- Performance Mode: Dynamic 1080p/60fps upscaled yo 1080p
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But sure, if you bloat the assets in order to fit a specific vendors specs, then 8GB cards will have a problem!
 
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Also Final Fantasy XVI demo is out of the PC.

FINAL FANTASY XVI on Steam

An epic dark fantasy where fates are decided by mighty Eikons and the Dominants who wield them. This is the tale of Clive Rosfield, a tragic warrior who swears revenge on the Dark Eikon Ifrit, a mysterious entity that leaves naught but calamity in its wake.
store.steampowered.com

Run it and tell me what you see.....

This one is a little heavy on the vram too, but my 3060ti says it needs more power, not more vram, for the vast majority of the frames.

Also don't forget to use the new driver. My GTX 970 went from 20fps to 40fps with the new driver.
 
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psolord said:
All the above screenshots are at maxed settings Igor.

You know, because I tell you so. I may be disputing this thread, but if I see something really bad against 8GB cards in general, I will say it.
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wow.

trust me, Bro. LOL
psolord said:
The 4770k of the above example, has nothing to do with the bad performance of the video card. If anything, it would inhibit the performance, when the framerate was starting to get better, due to the correct settings.
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is this a joke? The platform has a lot to do with performance.

No one is ever going to take you seriously if this is your style of debating.
 
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