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ondma

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This is a classic case of hardware ready software not ready.
The same old refrain we heard about Bulldozer!! "its a great chip, just wait till a new version of Windows comes out to really use it." Granted, Zen 5 is no Bulldozer, but point is, a product needs to excel in the present environment, not some possible future scenario that may or may not materialize.
 

linkgoron

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This is a classic case of hardware ready software not ready.
Hopefully the software update will arrive with the magical Vega/RDNA3 magical performance enhancing driver release.

On a more serious note, there's always hope that something will improve with AMD - but I wouldn't get my hopes up... Not something worth more than a few percent.
 
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AnandThenMan

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The same old refrain we heard about Bulldozer!! "its a great chip, just wait till a new version of Windows comes out to really use it." Granted, Zen 5 is no Bulldozer, but point is, a product needs to excel in the present environment, not some possible future scenario that may or may not materialize.
Not like Bulldozer at all but let's make that comparison.

Did you ever consider this is simply hardware waiting for the proper microcode? AMD has become quite good at making processors lately don't you think?
 

ondma

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Not like Bulldozer at all but let's make that comparison.

Did you ever consider this is simply hardware waiting for the proper microcode? AMD has become quite good at making processors lately don't you think?
Yea, they have done a great job since Zen. That is why Zen 5 is such a shocking disappointment.
 

coercitiv

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Did you ever consider this is simply hardware waiting for the proper microcode?
Ah, the microcode defense:
They are porting the performance improvements from the Rocket Lake microcode and the power improvements from the Meteor Lake firmware.

Folks on this forum don't need to learn much from history, they just need to remember what happened yesterday.
 

AnandThenMan

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Sure didn't take long for the pitchforks to come out for AMD. There is is always Intel so no worries.
 

moinmoin

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It was mentioned before that the team was working on an N4 and an N3 version of Zen 5. The way they talked about it sounded like the former version saw some cuts compared to the latter. If so, it will be very interesting to see whether and how Turin-dense's cores (which use N3) are different from Zen 5c cores so far (all on N4).
 

DrMrLordX

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@Rigg

Those numbers are . . . interesting. Why'd they get such a poor minfps for the 7800X3D in the last slide, but not in any of their other slides? Am I missing something?
 

Rigg

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@Rigg

Those numbers are . . . interesting. Why'd they get such a poor minfps for the 7800X3D in the last slide, but not in any of their other slides? Am I missing something?
Yeah, the BG3 results in the 9600x review are a pretty big red flag. My best guess? A combination of bad testing methodology, limited time to get a review out, a lack of curiosity/due diligence, and possibly buggy AMD Adrenaline drivers. After spotting the obviously bizarre result in TYC's 9600X review, I made a good faith attempt to reproduce his results on my 7800X3D/7900 XT system.

After posting my results (which I think clearly demonstrate that that TYC's 9600X review data and methodology is flawed) it dawned on me that I hadn't updated my GPU drivers in a while on my windows install. I've been running Bazzite on this system because Microsoft can redact off. I hadn't booted my windows 10 install in a few months up until that testing, so I went ahead upgraded my GPU drivers to 24.7.1. I wanted to see if the old driver I was using was affecting my results.

BG3 began to hard crash my system upon launching the game after the update. These are the only crashes of any kind I've had on this system since I built it at the end of last year. I haven't tuned the system (running 6000 MT/s EXPO and auto everything else) at all, but I still stress tested as if I had when I built it. Up until this driver update the system has been solid as a rock. After search results lead me to AMD's support site, and finding other users having the same/similar issues with the last two Adrenaline releases, I rolled back to 24.5.1. Everything seems fine now and I'm consistently getting around 80 FPS 0.1% lows in the BG3 exploding mushroom test with 24.5.1. Clearly the latest drivers are problematic in this game so it may have something to do with his results. I did at least a dozen test runs with no further crashing on 24.5.1.

I don't think you're missing anything. My conclusion is TYC's testing isn't trustworthy, and the BG3 data in his 9600X review is hot garbage. The results from his latest 6200 MT/s C34 7800X3D/7900 XTX testing correlates pretty closely to my testing. The fact he makes no mention of the difference between the data in the two videos doesn't bode well for his trustworthiness as a reviewer. I did a skim of the comments in the memory vid and was surprised nobody pointed out the discrepancy. Any TYC testing should be taken with a mountain of salt IMO.
 
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coercitiv

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moinmoin

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Here we go:
Street prices in Germany are usually quite volatile so I wouldn't read too much into it (having news reports about every single movement would be silly).

If anybody wants to follow street prices in Germany for Zen 5 chips, Geizhals is as usual a good place to check.
 

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It is evident from the ice cold reception that the few early adopters and hardcores are already cleared out. Time to lower prices if you as the retailer want to sell any. The mind factory sales for the week were abysmal. I posted the top selling Zen 5 was ranked 42 on Amazon U.S. when I checked 2 days later it was 47. I would be far more interested in the consumer response at price parity.

Because ss far as windows users and gamers are concerned -

 

Rigg

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I think you are being a bit harsh on the guy though.
No, not really. My criticisms of him in this thread are well founded (based on his data alone) and 100% fair. I haven't attacked him personally. I criticized his testing methodology and credibility as a reviewer. I brought receipts that totally justify that criticism.
 
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Ranulf

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This could probably go in a number of threads but NikTek strikes again...with the Ryzen/12th gen conga vs the 14900k.

 
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