I will post this 9950X running 65W here, as we don't need multiple threads concerning Zen 5 reviews. The first thing that jumped out at me is for machine learning at 65W it's almost as fast as a 14900K full out; neat -
https://www.club386.com/heres-what-happens-when-you-run-an-amd-ryzen-9-9950x-at-65w/
Zen on new Windows 11 24H2 vs 23H2, pretty mind blowing results ...
Zen on new Windows 11 24H2 vs 23H2, pretty mind blowing results ...
No drop in performance, just gains from 0 to over 35% (!!) depending on title.
Short comparison to Intel 14700k and Steve found mostly identical performance, apart from Gears 5 where Intel also gained, but less than Zen processors.
I would like to see Zen4 X3D tested as well to see how much it gains on this new, optimized Windows core.
Hanlon's Razor.Is it possible that MS did this on purpose to handicap AMD and make Intel look good ? Is that the WINTEL that we have known about, that now is broken, due to Intel problems ? MS now needs to also court AMD as well ?????
If it does, then MS/Wintel were indeed doing AMD dirty. It would not surprise me in the least.If indeed this also extends to Zen 3, i wonder if it extends to the whole Zen platform ...
It appears MS understands that with Intel's fading dominance they need to spend more time optimizing for other vendors, including ARM. Leo from KitGuru tested a few things with 24H2 and forwarded the speculation that MS may have been doing AMD dirty.Is it possible that MS did this on purpose to handicap AMD and make Intel look good ? Is that the WINTEL that we have known about, that now is broken, due to Intel problems ? MS now needs to also court AMD as well ?????
Just as with raptor lake, that explanation does not cut it for many of us. Intel's anti competitive practices over the decades and market dominance make it more than plausible that AMD has been intentionally crippled on windows aka Wintel conspiracy. At the minimum, neglected due to lack of significant market share. Neither are the results of stupidity. I don't believe in coincidence, and the timing of Intel being in their worst position ever, and AMD suddenly getting an absolutely massive gaming uplift in windows is more than a little suspicious.Hanlon's Razor.
I've been holding off updating to W11 because I enjoy my gaming PC just working and I don't want to mess with it. I even have a T500 2TB ready to roll so I can keep the old W10 drive for a while just "in case" before that "old" PCIe3 drive becomes a dedicated game drive.It occurs to me MS has a financial incentive far more important than vendor support; finally getting gamers off of win 10. As it seems logical an OS approaching EOL will not be seeing these optimizations.
Any way you can run Geekbench 6 with before and after the new 24H2 update?Sweet, my ghost in the machine theory was correct 🤣
9600X on 24H2 has been (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ , been too busy playing random games to throw up test info 😂
And more over we don't even know whose stupidity it was. It's AMD's responsibility to tell Microsoft that a mitigation is no longer necessary. And this apparently should have been noted about 4 years ago in time for Zen 3. Maybe they didn't and people are blaming Microsoft for it. Or maybe Microsoft dragged their feet. Who knows.Hanlon's Razor.
No matter how much I dislike MS Windows (beside being a useless OS for me, I will never forget MS behavior against Linux), I would hesitate to attribute any malice here. I remember some Arm errata was kept for a few weeks (or months?) for newer processors some years ago in Linux kernel. The kernel being OSS, it was easy to spot and was fixed. Windows doesn't have the luxury of being scrutinized by hundreds, if not thousands, of external people who care about some platform performance and stability.If it does, then MS/Wintel were indeed doing AMD dirty. It would not surprise me in the least.
Not malice, money.No matter how much I dislike MS Windows (beside being a useless OS for me, I will never forget MS behavior against Linux), I would hesitate to attribute any malice here.
I think you're overestimating how much AMD cares about consumer market. We're talking about a company that just shipped a second generation of CPUs that are limited to 64 GB/s of throughput between the IOD and CCD because they can't be arsed to give you a second GMI3 link.Just as with raptor lake, that explanation does not cut it for many of us. Intel's anti competitive practices over the decades and market dominance make it more than plausible that AMD has been intentionally crippled on windows aka Wintel conspiracy. At the minimum, neglected due to lack of significant market share. Neither are the results of stupidity. I don't believe in coincidence, and the timing of Intel being in their worst position ever, and AMD suddenly getting an absolutely massive gaming uplift in windows is more than a little suspicious.
You are getting off in the weeds. You are in the wrong thread, this is the Ryzen 5 review thread.I think you're overestimating how much AMD cares about consumer market. We're talking about a company that just shipped a second generation of CPUs that are limited to 64 GB/s of throughput between the IOD and CCD because they can't be arsed to give you a second GMI3 link.
I think you're underestimating Microsoft's ability to care even less than AMD and Intel combined about the consumer market.I think you're overestimating how much AMD cares about consumer market. We're talking about a company that just shipped a second generation of CPUs that are limited to 64 GB/s of throughput between the IOD and CCD because they can't be arsed to give you a second GMI3 link.
Entirely possible. Most of the time it takes all sides to mess up one way or another for something like this to happen.I think you're underestimating Microsoft's ability to care even less than AMD and Intel combined about the consumer market.