Question What will the Winter 2024 sweet spot for GPUs?

Lil'John

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I'm going to upgrade my system to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D next month and will upgrade my GPU to be a better match closer to Christmas. I am running a 4k monitor but usually run in windowed mode. I am doing older or 'graphics lite' style games that are more turn based or strategy based: Battletech/Roguetech, Mechwarrior 5, Total War; Warhammer 2, Dawn of War 3, etc. I don't tend to do FPS games.

I classically have done Nvidia in the x60(ti) range or a pair of Titan Xs although my current is a 1050Ti. I haven't really kept track of AMD cards.

I'm not willing to spend $1k+ on a card but I'm willing to spend a couple hundred if the gains are there.

So the question is what is sweet spot for price to performance card to keep an eye for?
 

Mopetar

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What resolution are you using? Do you only want to purchase new or are you willing to buy a used card?
 

Lil'John

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What resolution are you using? Do you only want to purchase new or are you willing to buy a used card?
I don't really have a 'final' resolution in mind. As noted, my monitor supports up to 'generic' 4k. I've run down at 1080 and 1440.

I'm not against running a used card... my current 1050ti was used. But it also wasn't several hundred at risk.
 

marees

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Nvidia is planning to release gddr6 4070 shortly

On AMD side 7800 xt or 7700 xt (or even 6800 if available)
 

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7800XT or 7900GRE are good choices around $500.
 

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I think you guys are going overkill. Did you check out the list of games? I think a 7700XT might be a good choice. Maybe even a 6750XT as those are much cheaper. As much I as I don't trust Tom's they did a comparison of the 6750XT and 7600XT recently.

Any of the cards mentioned in this thread would run circles around a 1050 Ti.
 

marees

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I think you guys are going overkill. Did you check out the list of games? I think a 7700XT might be a good choice. Maybe even a 6750XT as those are much cheaper. As much I as I don't trust Tom's they did a comparison of the 6750XT and 7600XT recently.

Any of the cards mentioned in this thread would run circles around a 1050 Ti.
What I would suggest depends on how long the OP plans to retain the new card.

I am guessing the 1050 ti must have been 5 years ago. So new card also needs to last 5 years

If the PSU & case support, I would suggest 4070 gddr6 or 7800xt or 6800 from long term point of view. Maybe even the 7900xt if it is available on the deal

Otoh, if this is meant to be a stopgap then the 6750xt/6700xt etc.

EDIT:
Unfortunately there are zero nvidia cards worth recommending in the budget range.
 

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A used 6800/XT would be a solid 1440p card. If you're not in a hurry you could probably snag one for under $300.
 
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Lil'John

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I think you guys are going overkill. Did you check out the list of games? I think a 7700XT might be a good choice. Maybe even a 6750XT as those are much cheaper. As much I as I don't trust Tom's they did a comparison of the 6750XT and 7600XT recently.

Any of the cards mentioned in this thread would run circles around a 1050 Ti.
Those are just the games I'm currently playing around with at this time. I don't mind turning quality down for smoothness.

What I would suggest depends on how long the OP plans to retain the new card.

I am guessing the 1050 ti must have been 5 years ago. So new card also needs to last 5 years

If the PSU & case support, I would suggest 4070 gddr6 or 7800xt or 6800 from long term point of view. Maybe even the 7900xt if it is available on the deal

Otoh, if this is meant to be a stopgap then the 6750xt/6700xt etc.

EDIT:
Unfortunately there are zero nvidia cards worth recommending in the budget range.
The 1050ti was bought used last year Not looking at really a stop gap but I'll run a card for more than 2 years.

The case and PSU I buy will absolutely support whatever card I get.

Is there a reasonable mapping from Nvidia to AMD numbers?

For example 4060(ti) is what in AMD?
4070 is what in AMD?

I know that there is zero chance I'll look at 4080.

Back in the day, the xx60(ti) were considered upper end of the mid level cards. xx70 were considered lower end of upper level cards. xx80 were mid/upper end of upper level cards.

A used 6800/XT would be a solid 1440p card. If you're not in a hurry you could probably snag one for under $300.
I'll keep than one in mind.
 

marees

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Those are just the games I'm currently playing around with at this time. I don't mind turning quality down for smoothness.


The 1050ti was bought used last year Not looking at really a stop gap but I'll run a card for more than 2 years.

The case and PSU I buy will absolutely support whatever card I get.

Is there a reasonable mapping from Nvidia to AMD numbers?

For example 4060(ti) is what in AMD?
4070 is what in AMD?

I know that there is zero chance I'll look at 4080.

Back in the day, the xx60(ti) were considered upper end of the mid level cards. xx70 were considered lower end of upper level cards. xx80 were mid/upper end of upper level cards.


I'll keep than one in mind.
If you are looking for new cards, the 6800 is the cheapest card that I would recommend


Unless you can't hit that budget, in which case the 6700xt/6750xt


On the nvidia side, you unfortunately pay the "nvidia tax" which makes all the budget cards useless

Since you are ready to wait until dec, you can wait for 4070 gddr6 to be released (but the RDNA 2 stocks linked above may not last until then)

But the prices of RDNA 3 cards such as 7800xt / 7900 gre / 7900 xt are bound to drop in future

So if you want a good deal now (on new cards) buy the RDNA 2 cards
If you have a higher budget & willing to wait then you can check the situation in December

Or you can buy a used card that can last you for 2 years atleast
 
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marees

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Is there a reasonable mapping from Nvidia to AMD numbers?
Unfortunately the market is not rational any more.

If you are looking for new nvidia cards then you can consider the below

RTX 3060 12gb — usually priced $50 too high, but only budget option from Nvidia
(RTX 4060 ti 16gb) — this is priced $100 too high. So not recommended
RTX 4070
RTX 4070 ti super
RTX 4080 super
RTX 4090

From 4070 onwards the AMD & Nvidia cards usually match on ray tracing for the same budget. AMD is far superior in raster for any given budget
 
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marees

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Those are just the games I'm currently playing around with at this time. I don't mind turning quality down for smoothness.


The 1050ti was bought used last year Not looking at really a stop gap but I'll run a card for more than 2 years.

The case and PSU I buy will absolutely support whatever card I get.

Is there a reasonable mapping from Nvidia to AMD numbers?

For example 4060(ti) is what in AMD?
4070 is what in AMD?

I know that there is zero chance I'll look at 4080.

Back in the day, the xx60(ti) were considered upper end of the mid level cards. xx70 were considered lower end of upper level cards. xx80 were mid/upper end of upper level cards.


I'll keep than one in mind.
Hot off the press. Wait for 1 more quarter

If AMD launches new cards that will force nvidia to cut prices by $100 to $200
Yet another "our rumours vs MLID rumours".
When will RDNA 4 come out in the end? Answer in a month. If he turns out correct, I'll be vindicated that it made no sense for pretty much all RDNA 4 drivers to be already in Linux and yet the non-selling RDNA 3 to linger until 2025.

Also his perf predictions are embellished since he's an AMD proponent, but it's very much in the ballpark of our predictions and my earlier napkin math: Roughly between 7900 XT and XTX Raster (he says 4080, which I don't buy), about 4070 Ti Raytracing (and again he says 4070 Ti Super which I also don't buy).

Or you can always buy one of these 2 cards immediately
 

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So the question is what is sweet spot for price to performance card to keep an eye for?
TL;DR Come back and ask around Black Friday time, you have two paths to take for either $300 (AMD )or $500 (Nvidia/AMD) when deals pop out.

GPU market has been very weird in the last couple of years, with prices creeping up and budget cards being nerfed in specs (relative to what we expected). Essentially both AMD and Nvidia sell underpowered budget cards in some way or another, pushing consumer towards their x70 cards, so towards the $500 bracket.
  • On the Nvidia side the only "value" GPUs worth looking at are those starting with "4070" in their name, after which every few letters add more performance and even VRAM. Normally you would be looking at 4070 SUPER first, but a 4070 with GDDR6 might also be a decent option if it comes out.
  • On the AMD side you have a lot more names for viable cards because we have two groups with relatively decent value.
    • 7800XT with the alternatives of 6800XT and 7900GRE. All of them are good cards, the 6800XT is last gen but when priced right it should be a good option still. Ideally though I would try to aim for the 7900GRE if priced very close to the 7800XT, since it will be easier to maximize efficiency on the GRE. In terms of performance they are relatively close, in the sense that someone with the slower 6800XT would not consider upgrading to 7800XT or 7900GRE since the generational uplift isn't big enough to be worth the expense.
    • 7700XT with the alternatives 6800 and 6750X. Another pack of relatively close cards, with the 6800 standing out because of the 16GB VRAM and potential for discounts, the 7700XT being a newer gen card, and the 6750XT having the best potential for a great price.
My advice for you would be to consider 2 scenarios, the one where you target a $300 purchase and the one with a $500 purchase.
  • in the first case, look for 6750XT on the cheap (under $300 by BF/winter time) but keep an eye on deals for the 6800 in particular, maybe even the 7700XT.
  • in the second case look for 4070 SUPER or 7900GRE, keep an eye on 7800XT and 4070 /w GDDR6 if it comes out.
The Nvidia cards will have better upscaling tech and RT performance, the AMD cards will have price/performance ratio meaning they will either be much cheaper or offer higher raster performance for the same price. Upscaling in particular will matter to you, since it will enable "bigger windowed mode" on your 4k screen (even fullscreen in some cases) and will keep the card relevant for longer. Normally in your case I would recommend the 4070 SUPER for DLSS and extra RT resilience, but Nvidia has this way of leaving their customers out in the cold in the long run when talking about proprietary tech, so in a few years you might end up using an open upscaler anyway. Personally I own a 6800XT and I'm very happy with it, FSR is usable when needed... though I'm currently having a blast in Roguetech, which you know is CPU bound like a nightmare.

It's hard to recommend a budget path for you, because you seem to vary a lot from build to build. The 7800XD choice for a CPU is really asking for a $500 GPU, but then again you can always stay low with a $250-300 GPU and upgrade a bit sooner next time. The 6750XT is still a massive upgrade from the 1050Ti. You should know there is a trend for more intensive compute in newer games/engines, since the push for Ray Tracing has also encouraged developers to include more compute taxing lighting even when RT is turned off.
 

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The 6750XT is still a massive upgrade from the 1050Ti.
Heck, the 4GB RX 580 cards are a "massive upgrade" from the 1050ti.

I think that they (1050ti 4GB) were EOL (OK, technically just out of die production, yet still supported by drivers) 5 years ago, but NVidia renewed their card production of these during the pandemic, for low-end/casual/esports category, because they were darn near useless mining, at least in Windows, with only a 4GB frame buffer and weak cores.
 
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Heck, the 4GB RX 580 cards are a "massive upgrade" from the 1050ti.

I think that they (1050ti 4GB) were EOL (OK, technically just out of die production, yet still supported by drivers) 5 years ago, but NVidia renewed their card production of these during the pandemic, for low-end/casual/esports category, because they were darn near useless mining, at least in Windows, with only a 4GB frame buffer and weak cores.
I am not sure I would call it a massive upgrade, but certainly a step up. Remember that the RX 580 and RX 480 were roughly equivalent to the 1060 6GB, which is basically the next card up from the 1050Ti. If one were to compare the 1050Ti to a Polaris card, seems to me it would be closest to an RX 470?
 
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marees

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TL;DR Come back and ask around Black Friday time, you have two paths to take for either $300 (AMD )or $500 (Nvidia/AMD) when deals pop out.

GPU market has been very weird in the last couple of years, with prices creeping up and budget cards being nerfed in specs (relative to what we expected). Essentially both AMD and Nvidia sell underpowered budget cards in some way or another, pushing consumer towards their x70 cards, so towards the $500 bracket.
  • On the Nvidia side the only "value" GPUs worth looking at are those starting with "4070" in their name, after which every few letters add more performance and even VRAM. Normally you would be looking at 4070 SUPER first, but a 4070 with GDDR6 might also be a decent option if it comes out.
  • On the AMD side you have a lot more names for viable cards because we have two groups with relatively decent value.
    • 7800XT with the alternatives of 6800XT and 7900GRE. All of them are good cards, the 6800XT is last gen but when priced right it should be a good option still. Ideally though I would try to aim for the 7900GRE if priced very close to the 7800XT, since it will be easier to maximize efficiency on the GRE. In terms of performance they are relatively close, in the sense that someone with the slower 6800XT would not consider upgrading to 7800XT or 7900GRE since the generational uplift isn't big enough to be worth the expense.
    • 7700XT with the alternatives 6800 and 6750X. Another pack of relatively close cards, with the 6800 standing out because of the 16GB VRAM and potential for discounts, the 7700XT being a newer gen card, and the 6750XT having the best potential for a great price.
My advice for you would be to consider 2 scenarios, the one where you target a $300 purchase and the one with a $500 purchase.
  • in the first case, look for 6750XT on the cheap (under $300 by BF/winter time) but keep an eye on deals for the 6800 in particular, maybe even the 7700XT.
  • in the second case look for 4070 SUPER or 7900GRE, keep an eye on 7800XT and 4070 /w GDDR6 if it comes out.
The Nvidia cards will have better upscaling tech and RT performance, the AMD cards will have price/performance ratio meaning they will either be much cheaper or offer higher raster performance for the same price. Upscaling in particular will matter to you, since it will enable "bigger windowed mode" on your 4k screen (even fullscreen in some cases) and will keep the card relevant for longer. Normally in your case I would recommend the 4070 SUPER for DLSS and extra RT resilience, but Nvidia has this way of leaving their customers out in the cold in the long run when talking about proprietary tech, so in a few years you might end up using an open upscaler anyway. Personally I own a 6800XT and I'm very happy with it, FSR is usable when needed... though I'm currently having a blast in Roguetech, which you know is CPU bound like a nightmare.

It's hard to recommend a budget path for you, because you seem to vary a lot from build to build. The 7800XD choice for a CPU is really asking for a $500 GPU, but then again you can always stay low with a $250-300 GPU and upgrade a bit sooner next time. The 6750XT is still a massive upgrade from the 1050Ti. You should know there is a trend for more intensive compute in newer games/engines, since the push for Ray Tracing has also encouraged developers to include more compute taxing lighting even when RT is turned off.
I don't expect the $300 market to change much. Here I would recommend the 6800 (~$350) first as it is a massive step up over the 6750 xt (~$300)

If MLID is correct that AMD is planning another jebait that will shake up the $500 market (& introduce huge pricing pressure on higher tier cards such as 7900xt/4070 ti super)
 
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marees

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I am not sure I would call it a massive upgrade, but certainly a step up. Remember that the RX 580 and RX 480 were roughly equivalent to the 1060 6GB, which is basically the next card up from the 1050Ti. If one were to compare the 1050Ti to a Polaris card, seems to me it would be closest to an RX 470?
I vaguely remember 470 as better than 1050 ti although the Nvidia card was capable of being used without extra power connector)

If OP wants such an option then wait for cut down navi 33 or go for 3050 6gb (although none of them are good for 'gaming')
 

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Good info. I just brought up the 1050 ti as my current card... not what I am trying to compare anything to

I'm not overly worried about number of power connectors or the like. I will buy an appropriately sized PSU thus I'm trying to figure out the card at this time. I'm in United States so the power consumption isn't a large concern... that said, I'd rather not have a space heater

I will keep an eye out at Black Friday but more than likely, the card will be a Christmas gift to myself

I'm not locked to a particular price point but to pull me from one price point($300-$400) to another ($500-$600), there will have to be a significant performance upgrade.
 
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I'm not locked to a particular price point but to pull me from one price point($300-$400) to another ($500-$600), there will have to be a significant performance upgrade.
If the 6700xt/6750xt drops to $250 or less buy it immediately.

Else the 6800 or 7700xt should be available for $350 in November/December

Best case is to snag a $500+ card after launch of RDNA 4 (in october as claimed by MLID) but board partners such as power color have previously stated they do not expect RDNA 4 this year but but MLID insists that AMD is fooling everyone

(But now he has leaked it every one is alert to this 'possibility' also)
 

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I will buy an appropriately sized PSU thus I'm trying to figure out the card at this time.
If the PSU is your immediate decision point, then buy one that comfortably supports the 7900xt

& case size should be one that supports the longest (XFX?) 6800
 
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