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SteveGrabowski

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Meh if it could give me a constant 60fps in performance mode on Elden Ring, I would be happy to have that jump, even though it only slightly dipped in certain spots. I think my projector actually helps with framerate drops too with some kind of frame smoothing it does so I don't think I noticed the framerate dips as much as others did.

But yeah, if it basically guarantees 1080p60 being "free" for the rest of the gen, it's worth the $100 to me.
I just moved to PC for Elden Ring so I could play 1800p60 on my 6700 XT. That's not counting the DLC though, which I haven't played yet. If it's only a 45% bump in performance I wouldn't hold my breath for GTA VI being 1080p60 though.
 

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So the 60 fps mode is still terrible? Great.
Oh, I don't know about that. I play in the pretty mode, would prefer it be prettier if possible. It isn't an ARPG anyway, I constantly am giving commands in the bullet time so whatever. It's not like the combat on Normal is that hard and its not like you need to platinum every encounter to get something special.

Having Tifa sigh and say "we could do better" is punishment enough

Now, I am if I could get more frames in FF XVI maybe I would be more interested. That's the only reason I'd go back for the second DLC.
 

purbeast0

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I just moved to PC for Elden Ring so I could play 1800p60 on my 6700 XT. That's not counting the DLC though, which I haven't played yet. If it's only a 45% bump in performance I wouldn't hold my breath for GTA VI being 1080p60 though.
DLC is fantastic I strongly recommend it.

I couldn't care less about GTA 6 but if they can't get 1080p60 on the standard PS5 that is a joke. I doubt they will be able to do it though because they aren't really known as the pinnacle of performance.
 
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Yeah I am super sensitive to it and play fighting games, and recently I've even been contemplating hooking my PS5 up to a monitor with less lag. My projector has like 35ms of input lag in game mode, but I have a monitor that has 10ms of input lag, and that can make a noticeable difference in especially fighting games.
Rtings reviews have game mode input lag listed and that usually includes HDR by default. I don't even know why someone would go to the trouble of disabling HDR in console settings since it's become the default setting on a supported display these days.
 

MoragaBlue

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The Jim Ryan era brought us to this and it's why I likely will not touch PS5 Pro unless it comes more powerful than expected, cheaper than expected, and Gamestop has some monster trade-in deal, eg like PS5 Pro is $550 and Gamestop offers $450 in credit towards a PS5 Pro for a PS5 trade-in. Otherwise what's the point when Sony has nothing interesting in the pipeline? Who knows how long it'll be before The Last of Us Part III? Otherwise it's just a Wolverine game that is also a long ways away considering all we have seen of it is a cutscene.

What puzzles me regarding all the live service pay to play microtransactions ecosystems is that while it appears the overwhelming majority of gamers reject them, the profit & loss suggest otherwise. I was stunned to see the year over year profitability of these games, and the sheer number of players just buying all of this stuff up, e.g., skins, weapons, pay to win concept.

It just seems while we find the business model egregious, there are enough gamers willing to pay for them. Of course, I would never participate in anything remotely characterized as a "game as a service" concept and have never touched WoW because of this element. Regardless, while I can appreciate Sony is a for profit enterprise and irrespective of my personal views, should provide GaaS, if that's what an element of the market demands, they should nonetheless be able to make some single player games for the rest of us. In my view, the gaming market is more than big enough to support both, and they should make Bloodborne 2. I mean, if nothing else, this IP's obvious success and $$ windfall will make up for some of their recent flops.
 

MoragaBlue

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DLC is fantastic I strongly recommend it.

It really is worth it and IMHO game of year, if DLCs were eligible.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, but the criticisms of the bosses being too hard are misplaced. For instance, to even reach the DLC, one must have defeated original Radahn (not too hard post nerf) and Mohg (not easy at lower levels). Assuming one doesn't resort to some cheese or coop to shortcut this process, a player should have attained a certain skill & mastery over the combat system to take on these bosses. It's not a cakewalk and it shouldn't be because these are the final ER type bosses we will ever fight.

In my view, some of these bosses are the best and most refined fights I've ever seen. While I've gone on to enjoy the bosses in Lies of P & Wukong, at its best, they don't compare to some of my favorites in the DLC--Rellana, Bayle, Messmer and even Prime Radahn just have no peers in this genre. That alone, again in my view, is worth the price of admission.
 

RPD

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What puzzles me regarding all the live service pay to play microtransactions ecosystems is that while it appears the overwhelming majority of gamers reject them, the profit & loss suggest otherwise. I was stunned to see the year over year profitability of these games, and the sheer number of players just buying all of this stuff up, e.g., skins, weapons, pay to win concept.

It just seems while we find the business model egregious, there are enough gamers willing to pay for them. Of course, I would never participate in anything remotely characterized as a "game as a service" concept and have never touched WoW because of this element. Regardless, while I can appreciate Sony is a for profit enterprise and irrespective of my personal views, should provide GaaS, if that's what an element of the market demands, they should nonetheless be able to make some single player games for the rest of us. In my view, the gaming market is more than big enough to support both, and they should make Bloodborne 2. I mean, if nothing else, this IP's obvious success and $$ windfall will make up for some of their recent flops.
It just takes enough people to spend like $5 and then you have the whale players that spend thousands that make up for the rest.
 

jpiniero

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I couldn't care less about GTA 6 but if they can't get 1080p60 on the standard PS5 that is a joke. I doubt they will be able to do it though because they aren't really known as the pinnacle of performance.

You're kidding, right? The fidelity of that first trailer is so far above what's available any other game right now. It almost has to be 30 fps even on the Pro because the Pro doesn't improve the CPU at all. Maybe they can cook up some decent Frame Gen trickery to make it look 60 fps at least for those who need it.

Edit: I think the Pro is going to be $599 without the disc drive.
 

SteveGrabowski

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You're kidding, right? The fidelity of that first trailer is so far above what's available any other game right now. It almost has to be 30 fps even on the Pro because the Pro doesn't improve the CPU at all. Maybe they can cook up some decent Frame Gen trickery to make it look 60 fps at least for those who need it.

Edit: I think the Pro is going to be $599 without the disc drive.
Wouldn't be shocked if the Pro is $700 without the disc drive.
 

purbeast0

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You're kidding, right? The fidelity of that first trailer is so far above what's available any other game right now. It almost has to be 30 fps even on the Pro because the Pro doesn't improve the CPU at all. Maybe they can cook up some decent Frame Gen trickery to make it look 60 fps at least for those who need it.

Edit: I think the Pro is going to be $599 without the disc drive.
Trailers don't mean jack to me. There have been countless examples of pre release trailers/gameplay looking completely different than the final game. Just look at the most recent example of the new Star Wars game lol.
 
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Trailers don't mean jack to me. There have been countless examples of pre release trailers/gameplay looking completely different than the final game. Just look at the most recent example of the new Star Wars game lol.
Things used to be even worse in the DOS/Win98/PS1/PS2 days. Super exciting CGI followed by pixellated crap.

That's how the CGI created IN the game engine became a thing and wowed gamers like maybe a decade ago? I forget what was the first game that did that though.
 

jpiniero

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Trailers don't mean jack to me. There have been countless examples of pre release trailers/gameplay looking completely different than the final game. Just look at the most recent example of the new Star Wars game lol.

Rockstar tho.

Besides, if the game runs on 30 fps on consoles (and people can't complain too much because of how it looks) then they can get people to double dip on PC 2 years later for those who must have 60 fps.
 

purbeast0

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Rockstar tho.

Besides, if the game runs on 30 fps on consoles (and people can't complain too much because of how it looks) then they can get people to double dip on PC 2 years later for those who must have 60 fps.
Yeah I mean in my original post I said they aren't known for performance and I doubt they hit 1080p60.

I still think it's sad though if they can't. Not really their fault but just at the tech in general at this point. Remember how this was supposed to be the 4k gen? And I'm saying that facetiously based on the marketing of PS5 and XSX.

It was supposed to be the 4k gen and we can hardly get 1080p60 and we're almost 4 years into this gen.
 

MoragaBlue

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Wouldn't be shocked if the Pro is $700 without the disc drive.

$700...er...$699 would probably be too high of an asking price, at least for me. The price approaching anywhere near a 4080 would be a deal breaker. $600 I'm ok with, but not anything north of it.
 

SteveGrabowski

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$700...er...$699 would probably be too high of an asking price, at least for me. The price approaching anywhere near a 4080 would be a deal breaker. $600 I'm ok with, but not anything north of it.
Sony likely just lost $100 million on Concord, I wouldn't expect them to be in too much of a mood to discount their hardware tbh.
 

MoragaBlue

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Sony likely just lost $100 million on Concord, I wouldn't expect them to be in too much of a mood to discount their hardware tbh.

They had a misfire on this one, stuff happens. Whatever the loss, Sony's large enough to absorb it, though I suspect shareholders aren't thrilled. Assuming they don't continue with additional historic flops, while I can see pricing it above the PS4 Pro price scheme, I'd wager they'd lose out if priced at $700. Ultimately, they'll have to lower the price, and the prudent thing to do would be to wait.

Now, if they had some single player exclusives, I may be tempted.

PS - They hiked the PS5 in Japan, but I'm assuming this was more a reaction to the Yen's weakness than making up for recent flops.
 

SteveGrabowski

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They had a misfire on this one, stuff happens. Whatever the loss, Sony's large enough to absorb it, though I suspect shareholders aren't thrilled. Assuming they don't continue with additional historic flops, while I can see pricing it above the PS4 Pro price scheme, I'd wager they'd lose out if priced at $700. Ultimately, they'll have to lower the price, and the prudent thing to do would be to wait.

Now, if they had some single player exclusives, I may be tempted.

PS - They hiked the PS5 in Japan, but I'm assuming this was more a reaction to the Yen's weakness than making up for recent flops.
That's a big assumption lol, Jim Ryan steered the brand into the ground with all the live service crap they pushed. Wasted all this time and money trying to get Naughty Dog to do live service crap too until ND just abandoned it, saying they'd be able to do nothing but their live service game if they didn't. While yeah the Japan price hike was a combination of the weak Japanese yen with extremely heavy demand from China after WuKong's release, don't forget the PS5 Slim got a $50 price hike for the digital edition and frankly both editions felt like they got another $30 price hike needing to buy the vertical stand separately now too, as PS5 is such a giant console nobody I know who has one uses it horizontally.
 

MoragaBlue

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That's a big assumption lol, Jim Ryan steered the brand into the ground with all the live service crap they pushed. Wasted all this time and money trying to get Naughty Dog to do live service crap too until ND just abandoned it, saying they'd be able to do nothing but their live service game if they didn't. While yeah the Japan price hike was a combination of the weak Japanese yen with extremely heavy demand from China after WuKong's release, don't forget the PS5 Slim got a $50 price hike for the digital edition and frankly both editions felt like they got another $30 price hike needing to buy the vertical stand separately now too, as PS5 is such a giant console nobody I know who has one uses it horizontally.

I'm starting to think Jim Ryan was asked to retire, rather than doing so of his own volition. Regardless, even if he hadn't retired, after this flop, he surely would have, along with whatever studio or whomever was involved with this project and those who greenlighted it.

I'm assuming this can't happen again, because 1) Sony would evaluate the mistakes made and strive to avoid them, 2) shareholders will begin to apply pressure to avoid another catastrophe, and 3) even if a studio tried, it would be impossible to have a flop of such epic proportions. We'll likely never see AAA game with such a budget perform this abysmally--it's impossible.

However, if for whatever reason, they defy all odds and continue the string of Concord-like performance, then the boss in Sony Japan will just have to shut them down and start anew.
 

jpiniero

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That's a big assumption lol, Jim Ryan steered the brand into the ground with all the live service crap they pushed.

With good reason - Sony makes more money off of Live Service than traditional games. It must bug them that most of that is third party though, hence the attempt to make Live Service games of their own.

It is not going well, sure.

as PS5 is such a giant console nobody I know who has one uses it horizontally.

I do. It's upside down even.
 

MoragaBlue

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With good reason - Sony makes more money off of Live Service than traditional games. It must bug them that most of that is third party though, hence the attempt to make Live Service games of their own.

It is not going well, sure.

Both Tencent and NetEase have built gaming empires in Asia based on this model, albeit limited to mobile games. I suspect there are many more "modern" gamers on mobile than there are on PCs and consoles, but, as Steve (hope it's ok I'm going on a first name basis here) observed, Wukong's meteoric success especially in China has the potential to cause a paradigm shift, in my view.

China has the largest gaming demographic in the world numerically, and Wukong's developers observed Elden Ring showed the potential of making games for the single player gamer, and they saw no reason why this wouldn't be the case in China.

Still early innings for the single player AAA Chinese market, but a few more Wukong like successes will shift the landscape and studios will focus more on single player games, because, if nothing else, Western studios have long been risk adverse trend followers. As with the case of Sony being late to the live service party, they'll all likely be late to the single player type games ER has made popular again, which Wukong, Lies of P and I suspect many Eastern studios will now capitalize on.
 
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There is no Xbox Series S/X official thread so I'm gonna wonder out aloud here. Does Microsoft discovering how to get Ryzen to perform well in Windows mean that suddenly Xbox will get a patch to unlock more performance for Zen 2?
 

quikah

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There is no Xbox Series S/X official thread so I'm gonna wonder out aloud here. Does Microsoft discovering how to get Ryzen to perform well in Windows mean that suddenly Xbox will get a patch to unlock more performance for Zen 2?

Doubt it.
 
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