Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

Tigerick · Aug 22, 2022

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

Comparison of upcoming Intel's U-series CPU: Core Ultra 100U, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

Model	Code-Name	Date	TDP	Node	Tiles	Main Tile	CPU	LP E-Core	LLC	GPU	Xe-cores
Core Ultra 100U	Meteor Lake	Q4 2023	15 - 57 W	Intel 4 + N5 + N6	4	tCPU	2P + 8E	2	12 MB	Intel Graphics	4
?	Lunar Lake	Q4 2024	17 - 30 W	N3B + N6	2	CPU + GPU & IMC	4P + 4E	0	12 MB	Arc	8
?	Panther Lake	Q1 2026 ?	?	Intel 18A + N3E	3	CPU + MC	4P + 8E	4	?	Arc	12

Comparison of die size of Each Tile of Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake and Panther Lake

	Meteor Lake	Arrow Lake (N3B)	Lunar Lake	Panther Lake
Platform	Mobile H/U Only	Desktop & Mobile H&HX	Mobile U Only	Mobile H
Process Node	Intel 4	TSMC N3B	TSMC N3B	Intel 18A
Date	Q4 2023	Desktop-Q4-2024 H&HX-Q1-2025	Q4 2024	Q1 2026 ?
Full Die	6P + 8P	8P + 16E	4P + 4E	4P + 8E
LLC	24 MB	36 MB ?	12 MB	?
tCPU	66.48
tGPU	44.45
SoC	96.77
IOE	44.45
Total	252.15

Intel Core Ultra 100 - Meteor Lake

As mentioned by Tomshardware, TSMC will manufacture the I/O, SoC, and GPU tiles. That means Intel will manufacture only the CPU and Foveros tiles. (Notably, Intel calls the I/O tile an 'I/O Expander,' hence the IOE moniker.)

poke01 · Sep 2, 2024

coercitiv said:
This is not the doom & gloom thread, this is the Intel thread. (see what I did there?)

Stay on topic!

so it’s on topic? 😛

coercitiv · Sep 2, 2024

Let's take a breather from all this to remember Haswell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829882848830243045

Now, can we have Lunar Lake on something?

DAPUNISHER · Sep 2, 2024

coercitiv said:
Now, can we have Lunar Lake on something?

A moon rocket of course. 🚀

igor_kavinski · Sep 2, 2024

coercitiv said:
Let's take a breather from all this to remember Haswell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829882848830243045

My office PC is faster than that! https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=75122,75469

Good to know that I'm enjoying better than fighter pilot CPU performance in the comfort of my workplace.

maddie · Sep 2, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
A moon rocket of course. 🚀

Boeing's maybe?

eek2121 · Sep 2, 2024

511 said:
I don't want these forum to disappear 😭😭

A bit off topic, but if there is a desire for a forum replacement and the lack of a suitable replacement when the time comes, I will consider spinning one up.

Nothingness · Sep 2, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
A moon rocket of course. 🚀

Everytime I time I read Lunar Lake, I think of the Lunar Lander game I played long ago. I often crashed my lander.

511 · Sep 2, 2024

Nothingness said:
Everytime I time I read Lunar Lake, I think of the Lunar Lander game I played long ago. I often crashed my lander.

Hope intel doesn't crash theirs

SiliconFly · Sep 2, 2024

511 said:
Hope intel doesn't crash theirs

With this kinda execution, they're pretty much capable of crashing anything and everything!

ondma · Sep 2, 2024

coercitiv said:
Let's take a breather from all this to remember Haswell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1829882848830243045

Now, can we have Lunar Lake on something?

A new "Lunar" lander???

Philste · Sep 2, 2024

There is/was a "performance preview" for LNL in Berlin today:

igor_kavinski · Sep 2, 2024

eek2121 said:
A bit off topic, but if there is a desire for a forum replacement and the lack of a suitable replacement when the time comes, I will consider spinning one up.

How soon can we sign up for a beta test?

igor_kavinski · Sep 2, 2024

Nothingness said:
Everytime I time I read Lunar Lake, I think of the Lunar Lander game I played long ago. I often crashed my lander.

Anything Lunar reminds me of the game Moon Patrol. It was one of my childhood's desires to play that game a lot. Unfortunately, it loaded exactly one time on my Atari. Then one stupid kid dropped my cassette recorder on the carpet from at least 3 feet and it never could load a game ever again. *sniff* *sniff*

Hulk · Sep 2, 2024

coercitiv said:
Let's play a game, I'm the golden trickster fish and you're Pat Lucky. You found me while fishing, and you get one wish to save Intel from the ones below:

Intel gets best SoC of 2025 with Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake wins vs. Zen 5 in performance and efficiency (ARL refresh included)

Intel matches or beats TSMC with their fifth node in 4 years, and is set to win foundry contracts for short and mid term

Why am I the trickster golden fish, you ask? Because when you pick one, the other is automatically excluded. In a way this matches reality, it would take a miracle for both of the above to happen at the same time. So which one do you pick to save Intel? 🐡

I would pick process technology as this has been an issue for 10 years now. Catching up would be a huge achievement. Intel has less trouble with architecture it seems.

ondma · Sep 2, 2024

Hulk said:
I would pick process technology as this has been an issue for 10 years now. Catching up would be a huge achievement. Intel has less trouble with architecture it seems.

We will see. ARL is on arguably at least an equal node to Zen 5, even if Intel, "the supposed foundry company," didn't manufacture it themselves. Lets see how the power usage compares; I bet AMD will still be considerably more efficient. Of course the comparison will be complicated by the fact that ARL uses E cores and doesn't have HT.

majord · Sep 2, 2024

An Interview with Intel’s Arik Gihon about Lunar Lake at Hot Chips 2024

For today’s article we have another video interview for you folks, this time with Arik Gihon from Intel where we talk about Lunar Lake.

chipsandcheese.com

Markfw · Sep 2, 2024

majord said:
An Interview with Intel’s Arik Gihon about Lunar Lake at Hot Chips 2024

For today’s article we have another video interview for you folks, this time with Arik Gihon from Intel where we talk about Lunar Lake.

chipsandcheese.com

still talking about e-cores.........

H433x0n · Sep 2, 2024

Markfw said:
still talking about e-cores.........

So what? It’s a mobile product designed for power efficiency.

jdubs03 · Sep 3, 2024

Another 285K result:

Not too bad. Looks like ST is going to be around 3420-3450. MT 23000-23400.

511 · Sep 3, 2024

jdubs03 said:
Another 285K result:
View attachment 106716
Not too bad. Looks like ST is going to be around 3420-3450. MT 23000-23400.

It's MultiMemeBench even r24 is a better bench than this

jdubs03 · Sep 3, 2024

511 said:
It's MultiMemeBench even r24 is a better bench than this

It’s all that’s available!

poke01 · Sep 3, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1830601888741621890

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..

SteinFG · Sep 3, 2024

poke01 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1830601888741621890

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..

Such chips are focused on perf/w, can't gain much unless intel jumps nodes. For example, M2 and M4 don't have a lot of perf/w improvements compared to M1 and M3 respectively, because they used the same node family. So I think it's fine to wait 3 years between updates. Now if LNL doesn't have a successor at all, that's another story

511 · Sep 3, 2024

poke01 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1830601888741621890

So Intel you create an amazing x86 SOC with efficiency focused PMIC comparable to M1 but dump it next gen, wtf?

@DavidC1, you were right LNL currently does not have a true successor..

I think OEMs had an afterthought due to PMIC Cost OEMs love to cheap out apple doesn't cheap out cause they can extort the prices OEMs can't do that so maybe there is that also i bet some OEM don't like to pay the price for memory in LNL to Intel

poke01 · Sep 3, 2024

SteinFG said:
Such chips are focused on perf/w, can't gain much unless intel jumps nodes. For example, M2 and M4 don't have a lot of perf/w improvements compared to M1 and M3 respectively, because they used the same node family. So I think it's fine to wait 3 years between updates. Now if LNL doesn't have a successor at all, that's another story

I'm just hoping thats the case and a successor comes in 2027. There's a reason why Dell still had LNL in 2026 as an option for the preimum mobile SKU.

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